• Subject: Re: XML Attributes
  • From: "L. S. Russell" <leslier@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:09:45 -0600
  • Organization: Datrek Professional Bags

:) I totally agree, and I have seen the same things you mention happen
in our company.  But just because it is fact doesn't make it an any less
bitter pill. 

Phil Groschwitz wrote:
> 
> Management thinks in the short-term.  And it is a very
> competitive environment.  And senior management thinks
> this is a good thing because it weeds out the
> under-performers.
> 
> What can a manager do to stand out?  Convert to
> another system.  Maybe its the phone system.  Maybe
> its to citrix.  Maybe its to xml.
> 
> Whatever it is, the decision definately has nothing to
> do with being the best objective solution.
> 
> --- "L. S. Russell" <leslier@datrek.com> wrote:
> > What is really frustrating is, like you said, guys
> > like Leo Laporte
> > (who, by his own admission, hasn't written a program
> > since punch cards)
> > telling all these management types; " hey this is
> > new and cool, it will
> > save your business!"   Then when you ask for proof
> > they start spewing
> > the hype like Mr. Creasote in The Meaning of Life.
> > "Oh, it will save
> > your business because it is pretty!"
> >
> > You have management, most of whom either have never
> > written a program in
> > their life or have not written one in a very long
> > time, telling coders;
> > "this is what we are gonna use, because the
> > consultant said it will make
> > me look like I know what I am talking about."
> > It is disgusting this, it must be business worthy
> > cause they talk about
> > it on ZDTV, attitude that most IT management have
> > today.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Stone, Brad V (TC)" wrote:
> > >
> > > And the same problem is there.  All your hard work
> > meant nothing.  XML
> > > didn't save your world.
> > >
> > > It was rhetorical.  It would mean something to
> > anyone that it's happened
> > > before.  It's happened where I am hundreds of
> > times.  And not just XML.  TRW
> > > isn't as easy as it made out to be.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Phil Hall [mailto:hallp@ssax.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 4:53 PM
> > > > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > > > Subject: Re: XML Attributes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I agree, using a tool would be great.  But
> > what if the person who is
> > > > sending
> > > > > you the data doesn't use a tool and the
> > standards?  What if
> > > > they don't
> > > > want
> > > > > to change?  What if they are your customer and
> > you have to
> > > > change your
> > > > > ways!?
> > > >
> > > > There is having a discussion, then there is
> > having a
> > > > discussion for the sake
> > > > of it. Your above statement can be countered
> > (and as equally
> > > > useless) by;
> > > >
> > > > What if they don't want to use X.12, they won't
> > change, you
> > > > won't change,
> > > > they'll take their business somewhere else, what
> > are you
> > > > going do then...?
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