Re: AS400 user password -- MIDRANGE-L

I tend to agree that we shouldn't "broadcast" a vulnerability, but I also
strongly feel that if a vulnerability exists, responsible people should know
about it so thay can take precautions.

This security lapse should never have made it to the AS/400... My take on it
is IBM wasn't quick on the response.  The hardware has been out for 12
years!  Only when the breech was published did they take action.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Franz" <franz400@triad.rr.com>
To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: AS400 user password


> My wife describes pgmrs as some of the most unethical people around,
> slightly better than management, salesmen, & lawyers. We have no "code of
> conduct/ethics" to live by. The reporting argument has been around a long
> time. Was a bystander at Common years ago when IBM and the Common Security
> Task Force went at it. Boy, was that fun! Learned more about security in 2
> hours of yelling than in previous 15 years.
> IMHO, we should be ethical, never broadcast a vulnerability without proper
> reporting, and the vendor has a fix (as long as the vendor is responsible
> and makes a reasonably quick response). Every shop with a pgmr (not the
> secofr) on this list became "more" vulnerable with the posting. This time,
> IBM made a quick response. IBM does need a clearly stated method of
> reporting (is it the 800-237-5511 Software Support? and clearly identify
it
> as a Security Issue). Put this on the website!
> Long ago, in November 1991 was published the guidelines for being
> responsible on the Internet, "Guidelines for the Secure Operation of the
> Internet" (RFC1281)
> http://info.internet.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc/files/rfc1281.txt
> It requires that users be responsible, and vendors be responsible. This is
> worth reading for both sides, and it's only a few pages. I still think, if
> we want the AS/400 to live with the "big boys" of net computing, CERT
> reporting is the way to go.  www.cert.org
> Jim Franz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leif Svalgaard" <leif@leif.org>
> To: <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: AS400 user password
>
>
> > > Gene Gaunt is a talented programmer and writes some great stuff and I
> don't
> > wish
> > > to bash him, but IMHO it was a mistake to post the code the way he
did.
> I
> > would
> > > think that a genuine concern for security would dictate that an
Securty
> > APAR
> > > would be opened prior to posting this very serious exposure publicly
> (And
> > as a
> > > programmer, wouldn't you rather be told personally about your bugs
> before
> > they
> > > get posted on an internet forum?).  During the time that it took IBM
to
> > respond,
> > > we were all hanging out there with our passwords available to anyone
> with
> > > programmer abilities and a subscription to the MI list.
> >
> > I fully agree that IBM should be commended on their responsiveness on
> > this, but one could speculate how long this would have taken, had Gene
> > NOT published his code first.
> >
> >
> >
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