Brad,

Actually, you missed a MAJOR item in the interview process for me:
REFERENCES and WORK KNOWLEDGE.  I'll actually CALL the people on the
reference list and will also call others that may know the candidate.
Also, I'm not beyond taking a candidate to a terminal and telling them:
here's the manuals, here's your libs/srcf's/etc.  Program this task.  Or,
for a operator, ask them to goto a screen and tell me about my system and
what's going on on it...or go plug in and config a
terminal/printer/PC...SUPERVISED of course...or else on a line that's
dedicated to them...:)

For that I DON'T need certification...and it's alot more accurate in terms
of conveying expertise.

Don in DC.



On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Stone, Brad V (TC OASIS) wrote:

> Certification says that you have the willingness to take a certification
> exam because one of two things:
> 
> 1.  You know you are good, and want to prove it to yourself and others with
> a piece of paper instead of/in addition to previous work experience,
> references, etc...
> 2.  You are not sure of your abilities and want others to think you know
> what you're doing.
> 
> Heads or tails.  You choose. 
> 
> Scenario.  You have two resumes in front of you.  Joe is certified in RPG
> and Operations, John in not.  Joe has little experience being a night
> operator according to his resume.  John has 8 years experience with
> Operations, Programming, and even a dash of Net.Data and CGI programming,
> the only evidence of which is it is on his resume.  
> 
> You can pick one, only one, and they will come work for you forever.  Whom
> do you choose?  
> Why?  
> Would you have paid the other candidate the same if your decision was
> different?  
> Why or why not?
> And finally, did you make the right choice?
> 
> Bradley V. Stone
> BVS/Tools
> http://www.bvstools.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lori Hainey [mailto:lhainey@hbs-inc.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 3:21 PM
> > To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > Subject: Re: IBM Certifications
> > 
> > 
> > Speaking for our company - I know we would highly value 
> > someone with IBM
> > certification as a candidate for employment.
> > 
> > James_Turnbull@kaz.com.au wrote:
> > 
> > > I would disagree.  I think they are not well known yet (at 
> > least not as well as
> > > a CNE or MSCE) but not useless.  Also if you are a business 
> > partner or a
> > > reseller then your staff will require certain minimum 
> > certifications - otherwise
> > > you cannot hold BP or RS status.
> > >
> > > James Turnbull
> > >
> > > Don <dr2@cssas400.com> on 24/10/99 23:12:19
> > >
> > > Please respond to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> > >
> > > To:   Mauricio Della-Quercia <mauriciodq@hotmail.com>
> > > cc:   MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com (bcc: James Turnbull/Sydney/KAZ/AU)
> > > Subject:  Re: IBM Certifications
> > >
> > > the general concensus I'm hearing is that they're about useless....
> > >
> > > Which is unfortunate...
> > >
> > > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Mauricio Della-Quercia wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi:
> > > >
> > > > I am considering taking one of IBM's certification exams 
> > and wanted to know
> > > > what the general concensus was on getting certified, and 
> > for those who
> > > > already have it, whether or not it has proved to be of 
> > help with regard to
> > > > employment.
> > > >
> > > > My main objectives are career development and to better 
> > sell myself as an
> > > > Application Developer.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________
> > > > Mauricio Della-Quercia
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> > > > LegendWare Systems (AS400 Consulting)
> > > > Toronto - Canada
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