On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:13:29 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>IMHO, the main problem this platform has is the level of professionalism of
>its developers. Be honest. Those of you in the systems arena (many of the
>readers of this list): how often do you face a run-away application that
>*could* run so much better if the programmers only knew what they were doing?

If you have a solid computer department this will not happen. Here we
don't have operator(s). Why you need it? Just train your users to do
their tasks alone. When my boss hired me, my first job was to fired
the operator. The first 6 months i do his job to understand well each
job than he does. After that i distribute all this job to the user (or
department). So we can't replace a developers with a operator.

So IMHO the problem with the professionalism is the same on every job,
when someone is great in his job, we give him a higher position. When
this same personn is poor, we leave him at this position.

>
>I realize that I'm not making any friends with this statement, but I am tired
>of the blame going in the wrong direction. The only crew that writes worse
>code IMHO is the VB crew. I do not propose certifying programmers. That
>doesn't work. But I do propose that managers could do a much better job of
>leading their programming staff.

Yeah ! you right. We have i good manager here and when a programmer
does bullshit. We fired him. We have a good team here and the
applications is well developped and we are proud of it. 

It's sure than when we return to the old application developped in
1985, we scream about the code. Maybe in 10 years new programmers will
tell same about our program but it's the life.

Eric Mayrand
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