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Dean - just a few comments on the education of AS/400 programmers...I never meant to imply the the quality of all students, instructors, etc. were all the top of the line. Obviously, this is not just not so in any setting. However, not only are the forces of supply and demand at work here, the employment track itself also needs consideration. I would venture to say that while most of my client companies start new hires from CC's out programming, a very significant portion of them start out the "degreed programmers" in operations (night shift report printing, etc). Looking from the viewpoint of the recent AS degree graduate ... while not solid programming experience, it does beat working as a stock person down at the local Kroger. I can respect someone who at least makes an effort in their given field if they use the time as an opportunity to learn what they can. Besides - I also have companies that need operations people. You don't see many degree or occupational educational programs out there that train people on performance tuning...obviously, someone who has both progrmming and operations skills will be a more valuable employee to a company. On the other hand, I think most companies have lost sight of reality and are selling themselves short on talent. Granted, I'll take advantage of their need and make a trip down to my bank, but companies have no one to blame but themselves. I have a client company that routinely hires employees with two brief interviews and not even giving a programming test; when the new hires don't get the job done, they let them go...which decreases their reputation in the marketplace...which means they have to hire more inexperienced workers (probably from out of town!)...who don't get the job done....and so on in a vicious cycle. Companies complain when they find out that the programmer who shows 3 yrs exp on their resume actually has 1 yr of exp three times...but they never qualified them prior to hiring! I think it is true that the education institutions have not devoted enough time and effort into the AS/400 platform, but when industry will accept what is given to them, the blame has to go around. One thing I WOULD like to see is more of an emphasis on breaking up the COBOL/RPG educational track beyond the basic courses. While I deal with a few companies that still use COBOL, they are outnumbered at least 10-1 by RPG users. The CC's usually teach about equal amounts of COBOL and RPG classes, and I think they are doing the students a disservice in their efforts to make them well-rounded. Not enough students have the cutting edge background because two years is just not enough time to get in-depth in some of the features provided by the latest generations of RPG. Also, there are a lot of things developing that sure would be nice to have, JAVA, etc. Even though Synon has been around for a while...well, two years is just not enough time. Finally...are you sure that "snoring" quote wasn't written by my wife? That sure sound familiar! Dave Brown * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This is the Midrange System Mailing List! To submit a new message, * * send your mail to "MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com". To unsubscribe from * * this list send email to MAJORDOMO@midrange.com and specify * * 'unsubscribe MIDRANGE-L' in the body of your message. Questions * * should be directed to the list owner / operator: david@midrange.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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