RE: Midrange Jobs National Discussion

 I think that was Hoongadoonga, Hoongadoonga, Hoongadoonga, and McCormick.
Wasn't it?

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From: WLorimer@xxxxxxxxxx> To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 
tagrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion> 
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:27:35 -0600>

 
I gotta laugh at this kinda thing.  I have been with the 400 since it's
inception, the 38, the 36, the 34, the oh, never mind.......
Gentran, Sap, Ingenium, One World, Muckenfutch and McCormick---whatever, so
this crap is coded in some unitelligible languages that only experience with
the actual rotten, horridly bloated, unusable lines of code somehow is of
extra value?  I mean you fixed one MCH1202 error, you kinda got a handle to
fix them all, it is rather algorhythmic, ain't it?  Thats how we can sit
here and answer questions on midrange and other forums, from our esteemed
counterparts oversees , where some of the wizards are asking such questions
as 'What is the exact meaning of CHAIN opcode'  please insert human readable
code with extensive notation by friday since it is an emergency.......'  A
true value added proposition.  EDI?  Gotta have experience with set 56, and
52 or whatever, Jesus!!!!! doesn't anyone read anymore?  How long does that
take to pick up?  Oooooooohhh, scarey, gotta read a couple chapters in a
book.  I don't belive that there are that many nebbishes out there---who got
15 years in or better, can't read a joblog or do a debug or read a dump----
 
Jobs go wanting many times because of  this idea that there is something so
unique and special about code that only certain forms of codebrain surgeons
can wreak havoc on.  It is like Marilyn Chambers has said, 'It's just
another act"
 
Ron Melby
down in the trenches.
 
   
  > > I'm seeing the situation from a different angle. A customer of mine is
in> need of a strong RPG programmer with solid Gentran experience here in>
Chicago for perm employment and can't find anyone. I know EDI people don't>
grow on trees but, come on.> Advertising on the major boards bring a wealth
of underqualified applicants> who are aiming high and lots of calls from
recruiters who pretend to have> viable applicants just to get the listing.>
I have also seen a lot of very talented contractors run for the cover of>
permanent jobs to escape the ups and downs of the iSeries market.> If anyone
is interested in the Gentran position in suburban Chicago, feel> free to
contact me. Go Bears!> > Bill Lorimer> 630 546-1473> ----- Original Message
----- > From: "Timothy A. Grove" <tagrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> To:
<midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:12 PM>
Subject: RE: Midrange Jobs National Discussion> > > *** Please pay close
attention when replying to a message on this list!> *** If you want the
reply to go to the list, use REPLY-TO-ALL> *** Recruiters may advertise only
permanent employment positions in this> list.> > > This is one very true
statement:> > You don't mention that you are looking for "cheap" staff -
which is> often one of the problems - so why are all the qualified people
not rushing> after your vacancies?> > > When out of work I was
"Overqualified" for some> positions that I looked at. Translation: You> have
worked too many years to want to put up with> the pitiful salary that we are
offering for this job/contract.> > Overseas outsourcing for an extremely low
wage> here (but comparatively extravagant wage for> India, for example) is
making the realities this:> > Company says: I advertised, but there were no>
American workers that I could hire, so I get to outsource it to India.> >
Reality of situation: Programmer will not take> $20/hour to work when they
are contract employee> and have to furnish their own travel and> insurance.
Or, company offers the position to> those with "2-5 years experience for
permanent> placement", knowinf full well that there ARE no> AS400 people wil
that range of skills.> > I'm trying to get a data backup business going,> so
that I'm not tied to programming fully. AND> I'm trying to learn .NET, so
that I can get full> or part-time work doing that when the bottom falls out
from under the AS400.> > At 02:43 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:> >*** Please pay
close attention when replying to a message on this list!> >*** If you want
the reply to go to the list, use REPLY-TO-ALL> >*** Recruiters may advertise
only permanent employment positions in this> list.> >> >> >" Our experience
within the last few years is that it is hard to find> >seasoned ISeries
people who can handle large systems and large scale> >projects. When we go
looking, the prospects are slim."> >> >This to me is one of the great
mysteries. As has been apparent in these> >threads, there are many System i
folks out there who seem to be looking for> >work. At the same time I
constantly hear from customers that one of the> >reasons they are
considering moving off the box is a lack of qualified> >staff. You don't
mention that you are looking for "cheap" staff - which is> >often one of the
problems - so why are all the qualified people not rushing> >after your
vacancies?> >> >Have you considered training folks with experience in other
languages? Or> >perhaps even training people with aptitude and experience in
your industry> >to program?> >> >As I noted in an earlier post - the staff
shortage is one that System i is> >simply seeing before other platforms
because as a community we are small> >compared with Java etc. But I am
convinced that outsourcing will be a> >necessity before long because there
simply aren't new kids entering the> >field. Comp-sci is passé - the kids
aren't interested.> >> >Jon Paris> >Partner400> >> >www.Partner400.com> >>

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