Re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion

Like Alex I would love to learn EDI, JDE and others but I also have not 
been able to find where I can learn these applications w/o spending an 
arm and leg.  have literally seen companies search for several months 
to a year for someone with these skill sets. In that time they could 
have taken a skilled programmer and trained them and had someone they 
could depend on.

joe


Underqualified is a relative term. 
When a willing and talented Analyst gets replaced for a cheaper H1B 
applicant the day their visa gets approved as they employ as an intern 
while waiting for it is not only brazen and insulting it's a slap in 
the face to anyone who endures it. This happened in 2000 by a small mom 
and pop shop in Queens. 6 years going on 7 now I can't string 2 
contracts together with 2 to 6 months of down time and I am looking for 
permanent work! I would love to learn EDI JDE or the other expensive 3 
letter software packages but try to find free documentation or any 
without being extorted by the company who created it.




----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Lorimer<mailto:WLorimer@xxxxxxxxxx> 
  To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; 
Timothy A. Grove<mailto:tagrove@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Midrange Jobs National Discussion


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  I'm seeing the situation from a different angle. A customer of mine 
is in
  need of a strong RPG programmer with solid Gentran experience here in
  Chicago for perm employment and can't find anyone. I know EDI people 
don't
  grow on trees but, come on.
  Advertising on the major boards bring a wealth of underqualified 
applicants
  who are aiming high and lots of calls from recruiters who pretend to 
have
  viable applicants just to get the listing.
  I have also seen a lot of very talented contractors run for the cover 
of
  permanent jobs to escape the ups and downs of the iSeries market.
  If anyone is interested in the Gentran position in suburban Chicago, 
feel
  free to contact me. Go Bears!

  Bill Lorimer
  630 546-1473
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  Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:12 PM
  Subject: RE: Midrange Jobs National Discussion


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  This is one very true statement:

  You don't mention that you are looking for "cheap" staff - which is
  often one of the problems - so why are all the qualified people not 
rushing
  after your vacancies?


  When out of work I was "Overqualified" for some
  positions that I looked at.  Translation: You
  have worked too many years to want to put up with
  the pitiful salary that we are offering for this job/contract.

  Overseas outsourcing for an extremely low wage
  here (but comparatively extravagant wage for
  India, for example) is making the realities this:

  Company says:  I advertised, but there were no
  American workers that I could hire, so I get to outsource it to India.

  Reality of situation: Programmer will not take
  $20/hour to work when they are contract employee
  and have to furnish their own travel and
  insurance.  Or, company offers the position to
  those with "2-5 years experience for permanent
  placement", knowinf full well that there ARE no
  AS400 people wil that range of skills.

  I'm trying to get a data backup business going,
  so that I'm not tied to programming fully.  AND
  I'm trying to learn .NET, so that I can get full
  or part-time work doing that when the bottom falls out from under the 
AS400.

  At 02:43 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:
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  >
  >" Our experience within the last few years is that it is hard to find
  >seasoned ISeries people who can handle large systems and large scale
  >projects.  When we go looking, the prospects are slim."
  >
  >This to me is one of the great mysteries.  As has been apparent in 
these
  >threads, there are many System i folks out there who seem to be 
looking for
  >work.  At the same time I constantly hear from customers that one of 
the
  >reasons they are considering moving off the box is a lack of 
qualified
  >staff.  You don't mention that you are looking for "cheap" staff - 
which is
  >often one of the problems - so why are all the qualified people not 
rushing
  >after your vacancies?
  >
  >Have you considered training folks with experience in other 
languages?  Or
  >perhaps even training people with aptitude and experience in your 
industry
  >to program?
  >
  >As I noted in an earlier post - the staff shortage is one that 
System i is
  >simply seeing before other platforms because as a community we are 
small
  >compared with Java etc. But I am convinced that outsourcing will be a
  >necessity before long because there simply aren't new kids entering 
the
  >field.  Comp-sci is passé - the kids aren't interested.
  >
  >Jon Paris
  >Partner400
  >
  >www.Partner400.com
  >
  >
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