RE: RE: Midrange Jobs National Discussion -- MIDRANGE-JOBS

Offshore outsourcing!

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How can a contractor be a victim of outsourcing?  Hasn't the work already 
been outsourced to a contractor?

Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko Services, LLC
Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





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  Not completely true, about contractors knowing when their last day is.  

  This is not always the case.  Most contracts, whether done through a 
firm 
  or individually, can be terminated at any time.  As a victim of  
  outsourcing I did not get anymore lead time than anyone else about when 
my 
  job would end.  My current contract was through July, but I will not 
make 
  it past April 1, and will not be compensated for April-June.  Also, 
yes, a 
  full time employee generally does come out ahead of the contractor when 

  benefits are included.  
 
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    Hmmmm... think I might have to argue this one. Consultants are 
usually 
 
    paid VERY well, and remain consultants because the money, in the end 
and 
 
    considering all their expenses, is far greater than they would make 
as 
    an  
 
    employee.  
 
    Contractors, maybe not, but most probably work through a firm that  
 
    provides benefits, so in a lot of cases, probably a break even.  
 
    At least a contractor or consultant KNOWS when their last day is, an  

 
    employee, in most cases, does not.  
 
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    Tammara  
 
    On Tue, January 30, 2007 10:37 am, Fisher, Don said:  
 
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    > When you say "paid the same", how do you define "pay"? Monetarily,  

 
    > consultants are usually paid more than employees. However, 
considering 
 
    > that alone as pay requires a very narrow view of compensation.  
 
    >  
 
    > Consultants pay their own health insurance, pay the employer's 
share 
    of  
 
    > F.I.C.A. and medicare, provide their own retirement plans, and make 
no 
 
    > money while on vacation or sick. This is not true for those working 

    for  
 
    > contracting firms, but those receive considerably less than what is 

 
    > received by the firm.  
 
    >  
 
    > Employees, on the other hand, get discounted group health 
insurance, 
    401K  
 
    > plans with employer contributions, vacation pay, sick pay, and some 

    other  
 
    > things I'm probably forgetting.  
 
    >  
 
    > If one considers the total compensation package, one will probably  

 
    > discover employees are generally better compensated than 
contractors. 
 
    > That's to say nothing of the reduced risk an employee has versus a  

 
    > contractor.  
 
    >  
 
    > Donald R. Fisher, III  
 
    > Project Manager  
 
    > RoomStore, Inc.  
 
    > (804) 784-7600 ext. 2124  
 
    > dfisher@xxxxxxxxxxxxx  
 
    >  
 
    >  
 
    > Are the employees being paid the same or more than the consultants? 
If 
 
    > so, that would be very unusual in my experience. Why would an 
employee 
 
    > stay with an employer that pays more to consultants than they are   

    their  
 
    > own employees?  
 
    >  
 
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