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Hi Dale,

Well, I already paid a while back, and as I said, I was able to justify it
at the time.  I rolled it into an upgrade, adding a LOT of new modules,
plus the conversion.  The actual cost in that move wasn't too bad.  Would I
be upset that I paid and now it's cheaper?  Not really - no different than
if I bought something full price and then saw it on sale a couple months
later.  Happens with my disk upgrades for the iSeries all the time, and
don't get me started on PC servers.  I get disappointed that I didn't wait,
but hey - it happens.  But I think a roll-over plan would definitely be a
good thing, and make it easier for companies to upgrade if this would
happen.  We have this in our local MAPICS User Group, too.  It's kept some
companies stuck on earlier versions.  And one of them is a very effective
user that I get ideas from regularly - they would definitely benefit.

I think it would DEFINITELY be in MAPICS' best interest to do something
like that.  It'd help them get people up to current levels, too.  As I
understand it, they really want everyone to move up to R6, at least.  That
would help the loyal IT folk justify the upgrade.  Hmmmm, there's a thought
for MAPICS that may make it more palatable - offer the conversion to
user-based for free during an upgrade process to R6 or R7, a nominal charge
otherwise.

I'd just have another Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster, and then I wouldn't care
that I paid full sticker price.  Maybe Dick Cook should offer a
Pan-Galactic MAPICS Blaster at the mixer at the beginning of the MUC....
:)

Dale Gindlesperger
IT Manager/Special Projects Leader
Fleetwood Folding Trailers, Inc.
258 Beacon Street
Somerset, PA  15501




                                                                                
                                                          
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Dale,
I second your suggestion about the rollover license idea to user-based
pricing for a no-charge, or nominal charge. That way those companies
that have already taken it in the shorts to pay for the conversion will
get HUGE refund checks.  Oh....wait a minute....I was dreaming again...


Dale Walker
Gross-Given Mfg & Automatic Products Intnl



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I think a reasonable thing to do would be just to offer everyone a
rollover
to user-based pricing for no charge, or a nominal charge.  Then as they
add
more applications (or users), charge per seat.  That's how an awful lot
of
software companies do it.

Of course, you have to look at the per seat charges also.  If you have
two
people working in A/P, why pay for 120 seats?  The cost needs to be
reasonable that way, also.

Dale Gindlesperger
IT Manager/Special Projects Leader
Fleetwood Folding Trailers, Inc.
258 Beacon Street
Somerset, PA  15501






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Mapics:

I hope that some Mapics employees are taking notes of the feelings and
perceptions that the Mapics customers have about Mapics's upgrading
pricing
policies.

Someone at Mapics should start doing something before there is no more
Mapics customers.

As you can see Mapics, customers are going to other softwares and by
inhibiting customers for growing to larger iSeries hardware Mapics is
digging their grave and committing suicide to the Mapics product line.

It is sad that Mapics Management has lost sight of reality and the needs
and
expectations of their customers.

Steve

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From: John C. Bradley [mailto:bradleyjohnc@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:32 PM
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We converted over to CMS400 on 1/1/2003.

John C. Bradley
Information Systems Manager
Stephenson & Lawyer, Inc.
3831 Patterson Ave SE
Grand Rapids, MI  49512-4026
616-949-8100 extn 3120
bradj@xxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.steplaw.com

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From: "Oney, Vince (GEAE, Elano)" <Vince.Oney@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:10 AM


> What product did you end up with?
>
> Vince Oney
> ELANO DIVISION OF UNISON


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