RE: XA Release 7 or what? -- MAPICS-L

The product we have looked at is IFS shown at www.ifsworld.com. They have a
very nice whitepaper on the requirements to run a fully integrated Java 2ee
function set that you may want to look at. If you do a demo with them let me
know if you find anything they cannot do out of the box. The machine to
support our current user base would be about half the cost of our current
iSeries. Java does not have to be slow.

Hey we did upgrade our box by more than 10X to be ready. :( We do enjoy the
2% cpu use! I still think we will hold off on R7 tho. How could CSM be less
functional under R7 than it is under R6? Is it empty?

The biggest security risk in most shops is assigning users AMAPICS group
authority to enable queries. I would think that a least a couple of IT
people would have QSECOFR authority and thereby be able to see most of
MAPICs, except for the aforementioned IFM. 

Regards

Konrad

-----Original Message-----
From: michael.franchino@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:michael.franchino@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:30 AM
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
Subject: Re: XA Release 7 or what?


Be advised that the "super iSeries" box for R7 was based on MAPICS new 
Java based architecture running completely on the iSeries. This would have 
required you to upgrade your current iSeries by 10X to keep the 
performance acceptable.  MAPICS has done a lot with the performance of the 
product and has moved or allows the user to move certain functions off the 
iSeries onto other iSeries, Servers or even the client.  By doing this, 
your performance of R7 will be the same as R6, and in some cases it may 
even perform better.

R7 does have some new enhancements from the EC side, actually R7 was our 
biggest development effort for EC since the original release.

Michael Franchino
Custom Systems Corporation
http://www.cussys.com
(973) 726-0202 X214 (Phone) 
(973) 726-4552 (Fax)




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Ron,

As a former MAPICS employee (job was eliminated 1/2002 when it was moved 
offshore) I would listen to your affiliate, install Rel 6.5.  It is the 
most functional group of applications MAPICS offers.  Release 7 is for 
"bleeding edge" customers.  Rel 7 CSM does not have all the function quite 
yet that Rel 6.5 has.  That may not be a concern if you are not planning 
on using the Customer Service Management application.  I believe they are 
working hard to fill the missing function and it may be ready when the 
next release comes out.

However, to run the R7 code, you will need a "super" iSeries machine and 
go through a review process to make sure your company is at the right 
level to be successful with R7.  Release 6.5 is ready now.  Yes, there are 
many "fixes" as Konrad pointed out, but what he didn't point out is many 
of those PTF's are new optional enhancements that you can pick and choose 
to fix you business requirements.  The code is pretty stable at R6.5 and 
there is a lot of support for training, etc. that will help your company 
be successful.

Good luck with your implementation and subsequent conversion to the MAPICS 
files.  I know you will find that MAPICS does provide the solution your 
company needs to be successful in this ever chaning economy.

Paola Groeber
MAPCIS Consultant
(PS: I really did try not to respond, but I couldn't resist you Konrad :^)

> 
> From: Konrad Underkofler <kdunderk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2003/03/21 Fri AM 10:37:31 EST
> To: "'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'" <mapics-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: XA Release 7 or what?
> 
> I would go with Release 7 because it has only 1167 fixes compared to 
> the 4460 fixes for Release 6.
> 
> j/k of course...the functionality is about the same in all releases 
> from
4
> on up.
> 
> Seriously, make sure you do get source so that you can fix the things
MAPICS
> will not fix or screws up.
> 
> In regards to future releases, is anyone looking at alternative
products? We
> have found one we like that seems to be the solution to all that ails
the
> creaky old MAPICS code but are still open to alternatives.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Konrad
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: McCready, Joan [mailto:Joan.McCready@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 9:19 AM
> To: 'MAPICS ERP System Discussion'
> Subject: RE: XA Release 7
> 
> 
> Ron,
> 
> >From everything I've been hearing, in this group and from user groups
> >and
> conferences, I'd recommend you implement Rel 6, especially as a new
install.
> 
> 
> We implemented Rel 4 almost five years ago. What our affiliate
(reseller)
> didn't tell us at the time was that Rel 4 had just come out, and we 
> were
one
> of the first installs. It made for a more-difficult implementation 
> that
we
> would have had if we had implemented (the more mature) Rel 3 and then 
> upgraded to 4 later. If you implement Rel 7, you won't really know if
some
> of your problems are because you are new to MAPICS or because Rel 7 is
still
> "buggy."
> 
> Just my 2 cents worth, from experience. BTW, we are currently at Rel 6 
> (upgraded about 14 months ago) and have no plans to upgrade to Rel 7
anytime
> soon. When we do upgrade, it will likely be after Rel 8 is out, and 
> definitely after we're assured that everything we need is really ready
and
> working in Rel 7.
> 
>        -- Joan
> 
> Joan McCready, IS Manager      phone:  636-479-4499
> MetalTek International         fax:  636-479-3399
> The Carondelet Division        www.metaltekint.com
> 8600 Commercial Blvd
> Pevely, MO  63070
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Lahr [mailto:rlahr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:47 PM
> To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
> Subject: XA Release 7
> 
> Dear Group:
> 
> We recently bought MAPICS and our MAPICS reseller is telling us to
install
> XA release 6 instead of 7 because 7 has lots of problems that MAPICS
hasn't
> addressed. They have prevented any of their customers from upgrading 
> to
7
> but I know there are companies out there using it.
> 
> We have several issues with release 6 and are looking for input from
users
> and other resellers and consultants concerning your experiences with
release
> 7. Should we start on 6 or force our reseller to help us start on
release 7?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Ron Lahr A+, MCSE
> Information Systems & Technology Manager
> www.altek-inc.com
> INNOVATIVE MANUFACTURING SOLUTIONS 
> 
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