But I do my JSP Model 2 for RPG programmers seminar around the country and
everybody gets it.

Your JSP Model 2 is a lot different than learning the entire complexity of
Java and popular frameworks. You have done a good job of narrowing it down
to a set of specific class types and necessary jar files (if any). That
approach isn't prevalent in the Java space, instead everyone is left to
their own demise of hoping their servlet implementation doesn't conflict
with their ORM solution, etc, etc.

What are you talking about? I don't use ANY configuration files for my
stuff, Aaron. And using JAR files is no different than using DLLs or
included PHP files or anything else. And anyway I only use one JAR file:
the Java toolbox.

Why don't you broaden your scope outside of what YOU do and think of what
OTHERs are using Java for? I wasn't addressing your approach directly. You
know what I am talking about and you know that using your approach is
incredibly minority compared to what others are doing.

This is better than Java? Why? Magic variables like $it make my skin
cringe (not to mention the fact that I've worked hard the latter half of my
career to STOP using the dollar sign in my programs <grin>).

I haven't used groovy or grails yet, so thanks for your insight.

Aaron Bartell

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