Re: Effort to program in Java, is it efficient....

[Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Ashish,

You make very good points.  I probably should have clarified a few things.
We made a decision a few years ago that Java and Domino were our two future
development platforms - we knew things were going to a browser interface,
we wanted collaboration/workflow, we were already using Domino for email,
we already had an iSeries, etc.   Granted, we have not converted everything
but most new functionality it is built on either Java or Domino.

We are working on a Branch level portal with some sister companies and each
one is doing there own development based upon their preferences.  We are
doing a lot of things using JSP.  Other companies are using ASP, and even
another is using PHP extensively.  This is where a lot of the inferences
are coming from.  I'd be the first to tell you the developers here aren't
necessarily good Java programmers nor do they have a great breadth of
experience.  I myself am not that technical on the matter....I only dabble
with the language.  I admin our WAS servers, Domino servers, etc.  So, I'm
not up enough on Java programming technologies like a good programmer
would.  Not am I very comfortable with what other technologies can or can't
do.  I suppose this ends up like my dog is better than yours.....

Regardless, thanks for the comments.....



                                                                                
                                                      
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Hi
here are some things i would like to point out,---
Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> I'm getting some feedback in my company that while
> general in nature has me
> thinking about Java in the big picture.   The two
> themes I'm getting are:
>
> 1.)  It's to complicated - it's a bazooka when we
> just need a bullet.  Now,
> granted some of that can be how we are doing things
> so it's not just
> pertaining to the language.
-----> There is nothing called as complicated
language, if you dont know java and try to use it, it
is complicated, or else not, so some thing complicated
for you may be easy for some one else. You need to get
your requirements first, and try to use the right
technology rather then go crazy about it,
>

> 2.)  I have an end user with technical skills who
> keeps claiming to have
> studies that shows when a similar development
> project is done between Java
> and some other sort of technology that the Java side
> always takes more time
> and is more expensive.
------> I guess studies are financed by some one, so
unless you do your own study dont make any conclusions

>
> I apologize for the nature of these questions but
> I'm not sure on how to be
> more specific but:
>
> 1.)  In broad terms can Java be implemented in a
> simple manner and does
> that make sense in a lot of cases.  In my company we
> have probably over
> complicated our environment with some original
> implementations of EJB's
> that we are now regretting.  So, I realize that we
> may be the source of the
> problem......
> So, can it be done in a simple manner and what would
> be the best
> implementation to keep it simple?

----> java implementation can be very simple, as a
matter of fact since you can have your own scripts and
jar files to make it simple, look for tools like ANT,
>
> 2.)  How does the JAVA language/environment stack up
> to other technologies?
----> I dont see this can be answered as yes or no, or
very easy to compare, it depends on what you wont to
do, if you are planning to develop operating system,
java is not the tool i would use, C++ will be the
choice, but if you have web site, then java and asp
can compete, and then depending on your forte select
the one you want,

Hope this helps, these type of things happen due to
various factors, like relcutance to change or learn
new things is the main factor i see for making these
kind of noise...