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Well it would have been moot...
I was hoping not to post again, and I probably should not now, but...
You say
'Unlike most IBM products WebSphere requires Group PTFs'.
I think it would be better to say
'Unlike most IBM products WebSphere, DB2/400, Java/400, IBM HTTP
Server, WebSphere Commerce Suite, Net.Commerce, Network
Station, Backup Recovery Solutions, iSeries Connect, and
Performance Tools for AS/400 require Group PTFs'
I realize that is just a small number of products compared to the many
excellent products available for the AS/400; however, the Group PTF concept
was around before WebSphere Application Server for iSeries got into the
game. We make use of it because it truly is the best way we have to ensure
that our users get the correct level of PTFs for our product.
Frances Stewart
WebSphere Application Server for iSeries 400
IBM Rochester
"Joe Pluta" <joepluta@PlutaBrothers.com>@midrange.com on 04/19/2001
02:55:50 PM
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The reason I brought it up here, Royce, is because, unlike most IBM
products, WebSphere requires Group PTFs, which are outside even the normal
cume process. So even if you keep up with cumes, you may still have to get
additional group PTFs to keep running. If this process were Internet
capable, it would make it much easier to keep up to date on WebSphere, and
would probably reduce some of the frustration associated with the product.
So I disagree with you and think that the discussion AS IT PERTAINS TO
WEBSPHERE has merit here. However, I can see where this could become a
general gripe session about IBM software support, and in that case I agree
it would be outside the scope of JAVA400-L.
Thanks for your expressing your opinion, Royce. I think the PTF thread has
about run its course, anyway, so the point is probably moot. But
discussions of what should and shouldn't be in JAVA400-L are ALWAYS welcome
in JAVA400-L <grin>.
Joe Pluta
Moderator
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com
> [mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of rstearns@manageinc.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:24 PM
> To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com
> Subject: RE: Can't keep QEJBADMIN running
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> Joe,
> I think the initial questions were great (many of these get
> answered in the
> IBM websphere forum as well), but when it turns to a discussion on IBM
PTF
> shipment methodology that belongs off line, as this thread does also, my
> apologies.
>
> Royce Stearns
> www.webvision400.com
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> Yes it does, Royce. It has to do with keeping your JAVA/400 software
> working. I can't think of a more appropriate forum. Why don't you think
> it
> belongs?
>
> Joe Pluta
> Moderator
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com
> > [mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of
rstearns@manageinc.com
> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:38 AM
> > To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com
> > Subject: RE: Can't keep QEJBADMIN running
> >
> >
> >
> > Does this belong on this forum?
> > Royce Stearns
> > www.webvision400.com
> > www.manageinc.com
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> >
> > "Joe Pluta"
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> > <joepluta@PlutaBro To:
> > <JAVA400-L@midrange.com>
> > thers.com> cc:
> >
> > Sent by: Subject: RE:
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> > owner-java400-l@mi
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> > drange.com
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> > 04/19/01 09:03 AM
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> > Please respond to
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> > I guess I have to accept these rather arbitrary limits,
> Frances. It's no
> > skin off my nose (other than the fact I have to wait a few
> days). I just
> > faxed in my order for seven different group PTFs and the latest
> cume. If
> > IBM follow history, that means I will shortly get eight FedEx packages,
> > each
> > with it's own CD. If IBM thinks that's more cost-effective than
> > writing an
> > Internet delivery system for larger PTFs then that's their call.
> >
> > Just trying to understand.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com
> > > [mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Frances Stewart
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:29 AM
> > > To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com
> > > Subject: RE: Can't keep QEJBADMIN running
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, you know, I may be wrong. I assumed that why they were not
> > available
> > > via iPTF was because of the size.
> > >
> > > Ok - five minutes later: Spoke to someone more knowledgeable than me
> and
> > > the reason is two-fold:
> > > 1). They don't make PTFs which are greater than 10M in size
> > available via
> > > iPTF - and, yes the WebSphere group PTF is much larger than 10M.
> > > 2). They don't make group PTFs available because group PTFs are built
> on
> > > the fly when ordered. That is why when you order the WebSphere
> > group PTF
> > > you will always get the latest DB2/400, IBM HTTP Server and Java/400
> > > (forgive my non-use of the official names please) group PTFs with
your
> > > order.
> > >
> > > Frances Stewart
> > > WebSphere Application Server for iSeries 400
> > > IBM Rochester
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@PlutaBrothers.com>@midrange.com on 04/19/2001
> > > 09:58:36 AM
> > >
> > > Please respond to JAVA400-L@midrange.com
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> > > Sent by: owner-java400-l@midrange.com
> > >
> > >
> > > To: <JAVA400-L@midrange.com>
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> > > Subject: RE: Can't keep QEJBADMIN running
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > One issue with this, Frances (I have a couple, but this one bugs
> > > me a lot).
> > > You say that group PTFs are too large to ship via iPTF. Why is
> > > that? When
> > > downloadable game demos are regularly near or over 100MB, how big of
a
> > PTF
> > > is "too big" to ship via the Internet? I have a 416KB DSL
> > line, so I can
> > > easily download a megabyte a minute.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
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