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The reason I brought it up here, Royce, is because, unlike most IBM products, WebSphere requires Group PTFs, which are outside even the normal cume process. So even if you keep up with cumes, you may still have to get additional group PTFs to keep running. If this process were Internet capable, it would make it much easier to keep up to date on WebSphere, and would probably reduce some of the frustration associated with the product. So I disagree with you and think that the discussion AS IT PERTAINS TO WEBSPHERE has merit here. However, I can see where this could become a general gripe session about IBM software support, and in that case I agree it would be outside the scope of JAVA400-L. Thanks for your expressing your opinion, Royce. I think the PTF thread has about run its course, anyway, so the point is probably moot. But discussions of what should and shouldn't be in JAVA400-L are ALWAYS welcome in JAVA400-L <grin>. Joe Pluta Moderator > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com > [mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of rstearns@manageinc.com > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:24 PM > To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com > Subject: RE: Can't keep QEJBADMIN running > > > > Joe, > I think the initial questions were great (many of these get > answered in the > IBM websphere forum as well), but when it turns to a discussion on IBM PTF > shipment methodology that belongs off line, as this thread does also, my > apologies. > > Royce Stearns > www.webvision400.com > www.manageinc.com > > > > > "Joe Pluta" > > <joepluta@PlutaBro To: > <JAVA400-L@midrange.com> > thers.com> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: RE: > Can't keep QEJBADMIN running > owner-java400-l@mi > > drange.com > > > > > > 04/19/01 10:25 AM > > Please respond to > > JAVA400-L > > > > > > > > > > Yes it does, Royce. It has to do with keeping your JAVA/400 software > working. I can't think of a more appropriate forum. Why don't you think > it > belongs? > > Joe Pluta > Moderator > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com > > [mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of rstearns@manageinc.com > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:38 AM > > To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com > > Subject: RE: Can't keep QEJBADMIN running > > > > > > > > Does this belong on this forum? > > Royce Stearns > > www.webvision400.com > > www.manageinc.com > > > > > > > > > > "Joe Pluta" > > > > <joepluta@PlutaBro To: > > <JAVA400-L@midrange.com> > > thers.com> cc: > > > > Sent by: Subject: RE: > > Can't keep QEJBADMIN running > > owner-java400-l@mi > > > > drange.com > > > > > > > > > > > > 04/19/01 09:03 AM > > > > Please respond to > > > > JAVA400-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess I have to accept these rather arbitrary limits, > Frances. It's no > > skin off my nose (other than the fact I have to wait a few > days). I just > > faxed in my order for seven different group PTFs and the latest > cume. If > > IBM follow history, that means I will shortly get eight FedEx packages, > > each > > with it's own CD. If IBM thinks that's more cost-effective than > > writing an > > Internet delivery system for larger PTFs then that's their call. > > > > Just trying to understand. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com > > > [mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Frances Stewart > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:29 AM > > > To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com > > > Subject: RE: Can't keep QEJBADMIN running > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you know, I may be wrong. I assumed that why they were not > > available > > > via iPTF was because of the size. > > > > > > Ok - five minutes later: Spoke to someone more knowledgeable than me > and > > > the reason is two-fold: > > > 1). They don't make PTFs which are greater than 10M in size > > available via > > > iPTF - and, yes the WebSphere group PTF is much larger than 10M. > > > 2). They don't make group PTFs available because group PTFs are built > on > > > the fly when ordered. That is why when you order the WebSphere > > group PTF > > > you will always get the latest DB2/400, IBM HTTP Server and Java/400 > > > (forgive my non-use of the official names please) group PTFs with your > > > order. > > > > > > Frances Stewart > > > WebSphere Application Server for iSeries 400 > > > IBM Rochester > > > > > > > > > "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@PlutaBrothers.com>@midrange.com on 04/19/2001 > > > 09:58:36 AM > > > > > > Please respond to JAVA400-L@midrange.com > > > > > > Sent by: owner-java400-l@midrange.com > > > > > > > > > To: <JAVA400-L@midrange.com> > > > cc: > > > Subject: RE: Can't keep QEJBADMIN running > > > > > > > > > > > > One issue with this, Frances (I have a couple, but this one bugs > > > me a lot). > > > You say that group PTFs are too large to ship via iPTF. Why is > > > that? When > > > downloadable game demos are regularly near or over 100MB, how big of a > > PTF > > > is "too big" to ship via the Internet? I have a 416KB DSL > > line, so I can > > > easily download a megabyte a minute. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > +--- > > > | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! > > > | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. > > > | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. > > > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > > > JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > > > | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net > > > +--- > > > > > > > > > > > > +--- > > > | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! > > > | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. > > > | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. > > > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > > > JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > > > | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net > > > +--- > > > > > > > +--- > > | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! > > | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. > > | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. > > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > > JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > > | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net > > +--- > > > > > > > > +--- > > | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! > > | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. > > | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. > > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > > JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > > | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net > > +--- > > > > +--- > | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! > | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. > | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net > +--- > > > > +--- > | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! > | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. > | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. > | To unsubscribe from this list send email to > JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. > | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net > +--- > +--- | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net +---
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