RE:

 >> I would have to disagree about starting with an IDE(specifically Visual Age)

I would have to disagree with your disagreement <vbg>

I'm with Jim Mason on this.  In my case for slightly different reasons.  When I
tried Java without an IDE I was constantly having to look up which methods were
supported, be aware of the exact case and spelling, likewise for the parameters.
It drove me nuts.  Once I discovered (in VA Java in my case) that by using Ctrl
+ Space I could get lists of all methods, parms etc. life became much easier and
I could focus on what I was trying to do. There are many other benefits
including easy access to help etc.  Other than playing I didn't use the GUI
capabilities much at all but the method assist, easy testing, debug, etc. made
life so much easier.  VA Java is resource hungry no doubt - but there are other
IDEs with similar capabilities and a smaller footprint.

Maybe you enjoy pain for the sake of it <bg> but me I'm a lazy SOB and hate
doing more work than I have to!


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