RE: -- JAVA400-L

I agree that Visual Age has some great tools and benefits, it is what I use.
I just had some problems looking at my programs the way it presents the
methods broke up.  I guess it is the COBOL programmer in me that likes to
see the whole program on one screen.  And maybe since I started with an
editor and got use to seeing all my methods and variables declaration on one
page, it got me started on the wrong foot.  I am starting to get use to the
way VA presents the programs now, and I do see the benefit of it.  But I
just think it is a lot to tackle(new language and new environment) when you
just want to get your feet wet.  And I guess you are right, I do like to do
things the painful way first.  I guess I am afraid that I will not
understand something if it is done automatically, or course I still don't
use SDA for my on-line Cobol programs so take that into consideration. :-)




-----Original Message-----
From: owner-java400-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-java400-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Jon.Paris@halinfo.it
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:07 AM
To: JAVA400-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE:




 >> I would have to disagree about starting with an IDE(specifically Visual
Age)

I would have to disagree with your disagreement <vbg>

I'm with Jim Mason on this.  In my case for slightly different reasons.
When I
tried Java without an IDE I was constantly having to look up which methods
were
supported, be aware of the exact case and spelling, likewise for the
parameters.
It drove me nuts.  Once I discovered (in VA Java in my case) that by using
Ctrl
+ Space I could get lists of all methods, parms etc. life became much easier
and
I could focus on what I was trying to do. There are many other benefits
including easy access to help etc.  Other than playing I didn't use the GUI
capabilities much at all but the method assist, easy testing, debug, etc.
made
life so much easier.  VA Java is resource hungry no doubt - but there are
other
IDEs with similar capabilities and a smaller footprint.

Maybe you enjoy pain for the sake of it <bg> but me I'm a lazy SOB and hate
doing more work than I have to!


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