Patrick, Sorry if I my initial post was confusing in describing the situation. (That often happens when I don't experience the problem first-hand and then have someone try to describe what happened to me afterwards...) There was no user.id on the machine when the upgrade started as it is a brand new pc. I see that it is legitimate function of the notes client install- I just didn't know how the user.id file got there. <Snip> Anyway, I don't know your environment, but for ours, the ID-in-the-NAB has been labelled a "bad thing" and we never store the ID there. If you are using default passwords, I would recommend you do the same. Which means, of course, changing the default settings in the Register Person dialog. <End Snip> I totally agree as it appears we are using ID-in-theNAB strategy. My guess is the BP who did the initial install set it up this way. Gosh I love inheriting cans of worms. Chris - I guess that may have been the intent of the BP too - to make our installs simpler. Anyway - thanks to all for clearing this up for me. Now I have to devle into this further to see how to move ahead and ensure that we don't open a security hole here. Regards, Jerry Gerald Kern IBM Certified AS/400 RPG IV Developer & RPG IV Programmer MIS Project Leader, Lotus Notes/Domino Administrator The Toledo Clinic, Inc. 4235 Secor Road Toledo, OH 43623-4299 Phone 419-479-5535 gkern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ***** This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.