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Re: perm apply ptf's

All of that is true.  However I still don't think it justifies doing the 
APYPTF *ALL *PERM.  Because then your A side will be equal to your B side 
and then you would no longer have a fall back position.  If a PTF is 
superceeded it will automatically be applied permanent and that should 
automatically update your A side, and thus your fallback position.

Rob Berendt
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Dept 01.073
PO Box 2000
Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





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My understanding is, there are two layers of the OS on the iSeries running
on what is referred to as the A side and B side of the system.  Most
iSeries are typically IPL'd from the B side of the OS.  When the OS is
loaded, carbon copies exist on the A side and B side. When PTF's are
loaded, they are loaded to the B side, system runs from the B side and
hopefully all is well.  If something goes drastically wrong with the PTF's
loaded on the B side, the system can be IPL'd from the A side and run as
before the PTF's were loaded.  If the PTF's are good, before loading the
latest CUM or Group, permanently applying the PTF's will load them onto 
the
A side, new PTF's are now loaded on the B side.  So you always have a
fallback position by IPLing from the A side.

If I have any of this wrong -- someone else please chime in...

Bob




 
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Why?

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It's a good rule of thumb to permanently apply ptf's before upgrading to a
new release or loading a new cum/group package.  Other than that, freeing
DASD would be the only other reason I would see to permanently apply
ptf's.

Bob





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And, Domino has done strange things in the past, like having you reload
one extended product after having upgraded your version of Domino.  I
suspect they do something like having a different version of some program
or service program out there based on whether or not you have that
extended product.  For example, let's say that QINNINSTS was a program.
Then if you had a certain extended product (Sametime, Quickplace, LEI,
Domino Fax for iSeries, etc) they might replace that program with a
modified version of their own.

The only time 'traditional' os/400 programs have ever replaced a ptf was
when a test version of that ptf was released to a few restricted customers
for testing.  Then a bug was reported and they modified it, did their
internal regression testing, and then released it again to the test crowd.
 But this test crowd is aware that it is a test ptf and they should not
permanently apply it.  (And it really vexes IBM when you do.  Trust me,
they don't like regening a ptf as a new number just because you oopsed.
They'll do it, because you are the customer and deserve their service, but
you do have to let them vent as your part of the partnership.)

Rob Berendt
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We never apply permanently either unless we are upgrading OS releases.

What is up with updating the PTF?!? That's the most insane thing I've
heard of in a while. I wonder how many other times this has happened?

Chris Whisonant
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Senior Mid-Range Systems Administrator
IBM eServer Certified Systems Expert - iSeries Technical Solutions V5R2
IBM Certified System Administrator - Lotus Notes and Domino 6/6.5
803.326.7270 | 803.326.6142 fax
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domino400-bounces+chris.whisonant=comporium.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on
04/20/2005 02:53:58 PM:

> Someone recently asked a question regarding permanently applying ptf's
as
> a general rule.  I'd like to give another example of why not.  Just
today
> I got an email from an IBMer supporting Notes.  They wanted me to
> redownload the ptf for Team Workplace (Quickplace) as instructed by:
> http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=0&uid=swg24009143
> I already had this ptf loaded and applied.  However, someone decided to
> update the ptf versus coming out with a new ptf number.  (Crack addict?)


> So I had to RMVPTF, reload it, and apply the new reload.  If I had
applied
> this permanently I would have had to DLTLICPGM 5733LQP, reinstall it,
then
> load and apply the updated ptf.
>
> As a general rule I never do a APYPTF LICPGM(*ALL) APY(*PERM).
>
> Rob Berendt
> --
> Group Dekko Services, LLC
> Dept 01.073
> PO Box 2000
> Dock 108
> 6928N 400E
> Kendallville, IN 46755
> http://www.dekko.com
>
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