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> Subj: ** BPCS System/36 4.4B to AS400 BPCS 6.1Mixed Mode ** > From: Forwiw@aol.com (Sandy) > > After talking to SSA help line, they were sure such a conversion doesn't > exist. This is outside the area of responsibility of SSA help line. They will support various official Y2K compliant versions of BPCS. Conversions are not their cup of tea. SSA can also sell you stuff that is not supported by the help line. Check the EDI thread for additional comments that are also relevant here. You need to track down your company's official SSA account representative - this is the person who knows what your company has bought from SSA, such as support, and what support you can get from what divisions of SSA other than the help line, such as where they answer conversion questions. > But I looked again at the tapes that were labeled (from SSA) SSA can also send you old stuff that is no longer supported by SSA. Once upon a time they supported BPCS/36 Once upon a time they had conversion software from BPCS/36 to 2.0.etc. & supported it. Over time the earlier versions lost support, but SSA still had the conversion tools & can be persuaded to ship them to customers, with the understanding that the software is provided as-is with no support from SSA, as part of the standard contracts. Your predecessors, who jumped ship, probably understood this. > and there is a tape for S/36 conversion to BPCS 2.0.9. The S/36 conversion to BPCS 2.0.09 is for files that have been RESTORE/36 so that they are in the right format for BPCS software to act on them, which means they have to be saved the right way from S/36 --- our S/36 backups had been SAVE ALL FILES as a group, which did not RESTORE 36 right for this - in other words I could not use our regular daily backup restored to AS/400 for BPCS conversion, I had to create a separate save run in the right format for the tape to RESTORE 36 in the right format for BPCS to be able to digest the incoming data. Figuring this out, took some help from our BPCS conversion consultants & the people who provided our AS/436 hardware support. I was handicapped by not having OS/400 education from IBM until after the conversion. > Then apply the ptf. > Go through several more tapes, then finally a cd conversion to BPCS > 6.1.00 GA > > Once I started reading the instructions, its looks like I have to actually > install BPCS Ver 2.0.9. environment? No you do not - the instructions are contradictory & incomplete - there are several layers of corrections to corrections. What you are working with are the files containing your corporate records, and SSA's conversion software, which has bugs all the way through, and the software that someone will have to write to work around the bugs at various stages, that are determined to be a problem for your data. This will require personnel who comprehend SSA logic, and relevant programming know-how such as some mixture of RPG/400 DDS CL SQL, in which very little S/36 know-how will help you. > I don't have the AS400 experience needed to feel comfortable, You are in exactly the situation I was in in the Fall of 1997 & Spring of 1998. It took me several weeks of IBM classes to get the know-how neccessary to do a competent job here, but the conversion was completed before any of the relevant classes. I did get some classes on topics of system security & administration & backup before the conversion completed, enough to tell me that we had done an awful lot of things wrong, but not enough to tell me how to fix it. > but there is help at our other plants that do. But they have enough to do. You are like Jim Cannon struggling with EDI without management support for the education needed to do the job right, except his disaster will just cost the jobs of a bunch of people - his company will survive - yours could go down the tubes with everyone out of work, and you blamed, because management told you to do something & did not give you the tools to get the job done - those other people who jumped ship probably saw what was coming & you need to join them. I was brought up in the computing world where the concept of a technician jumping ship in the middle of a conversion was the worst form of treason a technician could possibly do, and should be black listed from any future trust by all of government & industry in that profession. However, downsizing, and other business practices in recent decades have undermined some of my beliefs in loyalty & duty. There can come a point where the handwriting is on the wall & you have to jump ship. > We are running our BPCS 4.4B version as a guest of the AS400. We were in that boat until about a year ago, except heavily modified BPCS 4.4 below B & hardware = AS/436. > There is an option for full conversion or one for single file conversion. We had a BPCS business consultant from Crowe Chizek visit for one day, who helped us immensely in determining which files really needed to be converted, such as Item master routings BOM, Vendor master, and which not, like histories, and at what points in the SSA conversion there were new fields that would need to be populated & where it made the most sense for us to populate them. We also had someone from Crowe Chizek come in for a day to educate me in BPCS logic - his text book was the official on-line BPCS documentation SSA LOG 00 & I would have been much better off working with environments & conversion steps around 2.0.09 had I had that education first. > I would like to only convert the customer master file and maybe a few others. > I have no idea how long this will take, or how this will turn out. Get a novel or collection of short stories because you will need to calm your nerves while waiting on various steps to do their thing then ask you to take some menu options that you will wish could be automated. When you take a step, you will not know if it will need you in 5 minutes or 5 hours. As you do the work, watch out for stages that are good stopping points, so you can have 2 days of rest before going for the next ordeal. You will need to learn how to work OS/400 QUERY & DFU or some other tools to randomly check files at various steps to make sure the data is there & not garbaged. One thing I found to be extremely irritating is when a bug struck & trashed my work & I did not catch it until 20 some hours of processing later that now was wasted. > I am not sure if I have to save files (from the S/36 environment) and > restore the S/36 files to the AS400 first or if the conversion tape will take them > from the S/36 environment to the AS400. I wasn't either - the BPCS documentation is clear as mud & somewhere it says that this should not be attempted by anyone who is not technically competent in OS/400. You need to verify that you are in S/36 environment as opposed to S/36 machine. We have S/36 running as a batch on OS/400, launched via STRM36 F4 M3601 M36 whose files are not valid OS/400 objects. If you are really S/36 environment on OS/400, as opposed to S/36 machine running as a guest on AS/436, then your solution path will not be identical to ours. For clarification of this terminology, you might like to check the AS/400 encyclopaedia @ http://www.as400.ibm.com/encycl/volume.htm > I read something about a Q??? S/36 file library. It does exist on our > system. There is a paradigm shift going from S/36 to OS/400. On S/36 you had files on hard disk, and libraries containing software. On OS/400 everything is in a library, including files. Libraries are divided into Files which are divided into members. The standard naming convention for software is QxxxSRC where xxx is the type of software member such as RPG. You need some OS/400 education bad & I thought I was hurting when I was in this condition 2 years ago, but your company is running out of time for Y2K compliancy, and sounds like management is still in denial regarding what it takes to get the job done. We had to put our BPCS/36 files into a Q library at a particular stage of the conversion, but it was very temporary. Normally files do not go into Q libraries. On S/36, IBM objects started with # or $ On OS/400, IBM objects are named starting with the letter Q This is also used for some standard architectures. > I have won this position after a couple of managers have jumped ship. > It's only me. I do not think I threw away our conversion notes - they are buried some place at the office - I will try to dig them up & identify which documents we used, so you won't be struggling with the obsolete SSA documents we knew had subsequent updates. You should have stuff that was printed by SSA & you should have SSA diskettes for PC that contain additional conversion documents, and there may also be some on OSG. > > Thanks to all who have responded. > > Sandy > > But how will they be externally defined? +--- | This is the BPCS Users Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to BPCS-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to BPCS-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to BPCS-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner: dasmussen@aol.com +---
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