"Generally I do like load and run Temp and SAVE 22. Run for perhaps 2 or
3 months. Then perm apply all and SAVE 22. Then repeat as necessary."

This brings up a question I have and am interested in what others do. Currently immediately before applying a new CUME I apply the 5770999 PTFs permanently. Someone asked if maybe we should apply all PTFs permanently prior to applying a CUME. Is there a reason to apply all other than having a base level of PTFs?

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From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DrFranken
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 5:05 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: PTF apply philosophyies

I do a LOT of PTFs and spoken to many of the fine folks at IBM re PTFs and the process.

First off it has been stated that MANY PTFs simply require an IPL. The objects being replaced simply cannot be updated at any other time as they are always in use or otherwise locked. A claim of 90% of PTFs can be applied immediately doesn't align with what I see. I suppose it's possible in fact but with all the pre and co requisite PTFs all it takes is one PTF in the 'set' to require an IPL and the other PTFs are stuck so effectively all the PTFs require an IPL.

I have heard several times that using *IMMDLY (Immediate if possible, Delayed to IPL when mandatory) Is NOT recommended for any PTF Groups including CUMEs. It's essentially impossible to read every cover letter and deal with all the special instructions. Failure to follow the special instructions can mean many things, not the least of which is that many of the PTFs that APPEAR to be applied are not active until an action is taken, frequently the action is to IPL (which I find annoying!)

I do concur with other comments that if you are not provided sufficient time for backups, PTFs, and other maintenance then having an HA system is near mandatory. Clearly NOT doing PTFs and proper saves is just a system crash looking for a bad time to occur. If time is so short when you DO get a window that any problems push you into being considered an outage that also is 'living on the edge'. Also consider making your load source disk an SSD, this will 'enhance PTF apply performance.'

Generally I do like load and run Temp and SAVE 22. Run for perhaps 2 or
3 months. Then perm apply all and SAVE 22. Then repeat as necessary.

- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis


On 6/4/2014 11:56 AM, Steinmetz, Paul wrote:

Management would like to minimize the IPL, PTF, and system save downtimes.
HA/DR Is out of the question.
Currently, I try to IPL Production every 2 months for PTF apply along with a system save.
The IPL and system save will probably go to 6 months or as needed.
90% of PTFs can be applied immediately without an IPL, however IBM does not recommend immediate apply for more than a single PTF.
Applying a large amount of PTFs immediately has caused issues in the past.
Permission has been granted for the PTF immediate apply, but I'm weary from previous issues.

Any thoughts from the group.

Thank You
Paul Steinmetz
IBM i Systems Administrator

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