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Mark,

I use dspobjd instead of dspfd because I need to account for all object types.
I do have two outfiles and I do use query/400 for the compare.

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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark S Waterbury
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Checking object create dates

Paul:

For *FILEs, you can issue DSPFD ... TYPE(*ATR) OUTPUT(*OUTFILE)
OUTFILE(QTEMP/QAFDPRT)

Issue the DSPFD for the first file with OUTMBR(*FIRST *REPLACE) -- then issue the DSPFD again for the second file, with OUTMBR(*FIRST *ADD) ...

Then, you can write a program to read the two records and compare them, field by field, to determine what is "different" among the various printer file attributes.

You can do similar things for PFs, LFs, DSPFs, etc. -- pretty much all kinds of files.

If you do not want to write a program to to the analysis, you can use two separate *OUTFILEs and then use Query/400 or QM/400 or an SQL query to do the "compares" ...

Hope that helps,

Mark S. Waterbury

On 2/13/2014 6:06 PM, Steinmetz, Paul wrote:
Rob,

Good point.
Prtf identifiers could be the same, but the prtf have different attributes.

I just did some tests.
1) CRTDUPOBJ of prtf creates a new file level identifier.
2) Restore of a prtf from a different system keeps the same file level identifier.
3) Changing the attribute of a prtf does NOT change the file level identifier.

I'm not seeing a solution.


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Subject: RE: Checking object create dates

What value would change of the format level id if you ran a CHGPRTF PAGESIZE(67)? Probably none. Is it important to catch that? Or related changes? HOLD(*YES)? Would the users care if you rolled out a new version and clobbered all of those settings?


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From: Jim Wiant <Jim.Wiant@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: 02/13/2014 04:21 PM
Subject: RE: Checking object create dates
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True, there is also CHGMOD for programs.

But such changes should be tracked with some kind of change control I
would think. So source change date for programs is the best I've been
able to find. I'm sure that there is always a way that would not be picked up.
Using the API's to go through the module(s) individually might get you
closer.

For printer files, how about the Format Level Identifier (shown in a
DSPFD)?

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mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, 14 February 2014 10:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Checking object create dates

That's a false assumption.
Lots of objects get changed outside of the source. Especially printer
files. Hey, let's run a CHGPRTF to change... A good change
management system will flag you when something was changed outside of
the change management system.
We were running into issues where we would promote a new printer file
change, miss the CHGPRTF issues, and users got upset.
Other possible issues: CHGOBJOWN, CHGAUT, etc.


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From: "Steinmetz, Paul" <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
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Date: 02/13/2014 04:03 PM
Subject: RE: Checking object create dates
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Maybe
Crtdupobj carries the original source date, thus both source dates are
equal.
Problem is that my utility uses dspobjd detail(*full)
output(*outfile), source dates are not in the outfile.
If I change my utility to use detail(*service), I see the source dates
in the outfile.

So, would it be correct to say that if two objects have different
create dates, but the source dates are equal, the objects are equal.

Fix library
Creation date/time . . . . . . . . . : 08/15/11 10:41:44
Source file date/time . . . . . . . : 04/01/11 01:52:05
Std library
Creation date/time . . . . . . . . . : 08/28/11 10:49:35
Source file date/time . . . . . . . : 04/01/11 01:52:05


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mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Briggs, Trevor
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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Checking object create dates

If you do a DSPOBJD with DETAIL(*SERVICE) it shows the Source file
date/time. Will this work for you?

Trevor Briggs
Analyst/Programmer
Lincare, Inc.
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steinmetz, Paul
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:31 PM
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Subject: Checking object create dates

I'm working on a utility to find objects that exist in a
custom/emergency fix library that would have a create date lt the
create date of the object

in the standard library, thus sign of an issue.
Utility done, working.
However, I found a scenario where we received a new object (*prtf) for
an upgrade. Because we change some print attributes on a few of these,
we place a copy of these prtf file objects in the fix library.
The upgrade is done, replacing the objects in the standard library.
Here's the issue.

The prtf object in the fix library was created with crtdupobj, prior
to the upgrade being done.
Creation date/time . . . . . . . . . : 08/15/11 10:41:44
The prtf object in the standard library has a create date for the day
of the upgrade.
Creation date/time . . . . . . . . . : 08/28/11 10:49:35

The objects are valid, but being flagged because of the create date issue.
I'm looking for some other field on the object, not finding any.

Many of our upgrade processes do this. The upgrade process does a
crtdupobj, thus the object loses its original info, (create date,
created by user)

Thank You
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