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Re: Express, React, Node.JS

...perhaps, but that was with a very the clunky UI rendered almost entirely on the server. I guess I meant single page web applications that can delivery a pretty much native UI experience in a web page and with great performance. I'm not sure I agree entirely that the 5250 has enormous benefits, for pure data entry maybe if the UI is not well optimised for keyboard use, but in most cases a decent GUI beats a 5250 green hands down IMO.

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From: WEB400 <web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Kevin <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 28 February 2018 14:19
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Express, React, Node.JS

You could say that it was the future 10 years ago. Despite the enormous performance benefits of a plain 5250 application, most commercial scale apps that still have that as their UI come at a cost with respect to the amount of time it takes to get users up to speed with it (as it is unfamiliar to most). Companies with high attrition (call centres etc) can’t afford to spend weeks training people how to use function keys and subfiles. Add to that the diminishing number of developers who actually know how to maintain it.....

I worked on the ibm platform for over 30 years and love many aspects of it. It is still clunky though when it comes anything other than RPG and (perhaps) Java. I haven’t been near an IBMi for 6 months and surprisingly I don’t miss it.

On 28 Feb 2018, at 11:06, Tim Fathers <X700-IX2J@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I agree with with you Henrik. In my opinion the traditional GUI is dead and the future is web applications in one form or another. I also get the point Martin was making about stability but the way I look at it is this. The days are long gone when you could hone your coding skills over years, become a seasoned expert and expect to remain gainfully employed forever on the back of it, like most IBM i programmers. Like it or not, the pace of change outside the IBM i world is much more rapid than we're used to and often no attempt is made to be backwards compatible, sometimes though this can be a good thing I think. IBM have done an amazing job to keep the platform as stable as it is, but I think that has also contributed somewhat to it's stagnation, so many programmers (in my experience the vast majority) simply don't want to learn anything new because they don't see the need; everything works just fine how they do it now so why bother? I bet even ILE (using proper ILE concepts I mean) has still not been widely adopted more than 20 years after it came about.

Having said that, I don't think the basics of web app programming are likely to change that much over the next few years, so learning HTML5, Javascript/Typescript, CSS as well as something like Angular/React won't be taking you down a blind alley. Even if the the framework you choose to learn doesn't survive, what you've learnt should still be fairly transferable. Apart from the technology, is also necessary to rethink your way of making applications in the graphical and stateless world of the web (I found the RESTful Webservices Cookbook invaluable for explaining how the sort of task we might do in the green-screen world are done the RESTful way).


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From: WEB400 <web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 28 February 2018 09:07
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Express, React, Node.JS

The problem is that what you call "a decent GUI" typically based on
yesterdays technology just will confirm the belief of others (including any
new management) that the platform is outdated.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:13 PM, Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This, to me, is, first & foremost, why the ISeries, 5250, and DB2 is the
only pick for any results-oriented manager. Otherwise s/he is looking at
constant updates, Monday morning surprises, and staff who is in semi-annual
training sessions about the latest new fad and "how we will be doing it
from now on."

On the other hand, a decent GUI makes sense but I must admit to the
constant starting over as getting pretty old.


On 2/27/2018 2:44 PM, Richard Schoen wrote:

the higher level of a single technology instead of knowing the basics in
many - but that is just me.


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