Re: Express, React, Node.JS

I agree with with you Henrik. In my opinion the traditional GUI is dead and the future is web applications in one form or another. I also get the point Martin was making about stability but the way I look at it is this. The days are long gone when you could hone your coding skills over years, become a seasoned expert and expect to remain gainfully employed forever on the back of it, like most IBM i programmers. Like it or not, the pace of change outside the IBM i world is much more rapid than we're used to and often no attempt is made to be backwards compatible, sometimes though this can be a good thing I think. IBM have done an amazing job to keep the platform as stable as it is, but I think that has also contributed somewhat to it's stagnation, so many programmers (in my experience the vast majority) simply don't want to learn anything new because they don't see the need; everything works just fine how they do it now so why bother? I bet even ILE (using proper ILE concepts I mean) has still not been widely adopted more than 20 years after it came about.

Having said that, I don't think the basics of web app programming are likely to change that much over the next few years, so learning HTML5, Javascript/Typescript, CSS as well as something like Angular/React won't be taking you down a blind alley. Even if the the framework you choose to learn doesn't survive, what you've learnt should still be fairly transferable. Apart from the technology, is also necessary to rethink your way of making applications in the graphical and stateless world of the web (I found the RESTful Webservices Cookbook invaluable for explaining how the sort of task we might do in the green-screen world are done the RESTful way).


________________________________
From: WEB400 <web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 28 February 2018 09:07
To: Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries)
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Express, React, Node.JS

The problem is that what you call "a decent GUI" typically based on
yesterdays technology just will confirm the belief of others (including any
new management) that the platform is outdated.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:13 PM, Booth Martin <booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This, to me, is, first & foremost, why the ISeries, 5250, and DB2 is the
only pick for any results-oriented manager. Otherwise s/he is looking at
constant updates, Monday morning surprises, and staff who is in semi-annual
training sessions about the latest new fad and "how we will be doing it
from now on."

On the other hand, a decent GUI makes sense but I must admit to the
constant starting over as getting pretty old.


On 2/27/2018 2:44 PM, Richard Schoen wrote:

the higher level of a single technology instead of knowing the basics in
many - but that is just me.

--
This is the Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries) (WEB400) mailing
list
To post a message email: WEB400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options,
visit: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.midrange.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fweb400&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cec60780818764abaad1f08d57e8284fa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636554021393376043&sdata=ooBL0G2ShKhtqwPl0%2FHWcMQiHPDedJHWBguz3awQG3E%3D&reserved=0
or email: WEB400-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives
at https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.midrange.com%2Fweb400&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cec60780818764abaad1f08d57e8284fa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636554021393376043&sdata=VBXa2VLVIo%2BHEwaEXNVCtHiO1Kycg6NPW3OFj%2FvoglU%3D&reserved=0.

--
Regards,
Henrik Rützou

https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FpowerEXT.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cec60780818764abaad1f08d57e8284fa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636554021393376043&sdata=pmA2OqfMcklFONC4BAgL%2Biq0YAT7wehlhI421RtXkwI%3D&reserved=0 <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpowerext.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cec60780818764abaad1f08d57e8284fa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636554021393376043&sdata=L9qYa%2FwQhtti8OJ%2BcFYkdM6isSq5piadjujNxXLbem0%3D&reserved=0>
--
This is the Web Enabling the IBM i (AS/400 and iSeries) (WEB400) mailing list
To post a message email: WEB400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options,
visit: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.midrange.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fweb400&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cec60780818764abaad1f08d57e8284fa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636554021393376043&sdata=ooBL0G2ShKhtqwPl0%2FHWcMQiHPDedJHWBguz3awQG3E%3D&reserved=0
or email: WEB400-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives
at https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farchive.midrange.com%2Fweb400&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cec60780818764abaad1f08d57e8284fa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636554021393376043&sdata=VBXa2VLVIo%2BHEwaEXNVCtHiO1Kycg6NPW3OFj%2FvoglU%3D&reserved=0.