Re: Web Enabling Applications

I am deeply hurt that my own contribution did not warrant the same
adulation.

I will get my coat......

;)

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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jim Cooper
Sent: 10 December 2012 15:40
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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

And very valid points they were. I read his message this morning and
wanted to acknowledge that his responses really summed up what the thread
has been discussing.


Jim Cooper
Program Coordinator
Lambton College
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519-542-7751 ext. 3219


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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf
of Henrik Rützou [hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:32 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

Jeff,

do you se Scott as an active part of this current discussion, in my view
he just made a statement two days ago - that is my point


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

Henrik,

What point are you trying to make? You obviously feel jilted in some
way, unless I'm completely not understanding what you're driving at.


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Michael,

yes - two days ago ;-)


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michael Ryan <michaelrtr@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

BS. Scott responded in this thread twice in a row. I'm able to
read

them.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Nice to know that Scott obviously sends out filtered mails that
he

dosn't

want other to respond to


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jim Cooper <

Jim.Cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

Another well put Scott.


Jim Cooper
Program Coordinator
Lambton College
jim.cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
519-542-7751 ext. 3219


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of Scott Klement [web400@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 2:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

Todd,

What I've discovered is that RPG is simply a better language
for

writing

business rules and business logic than the others.

I agree with your assessment that it's often hard to find
qualified

RPG

developers. That's not to say that it's hard to find RPG

developers

--

but rather than most RPG developers on the job market have

out-of-date

skills, so are not "qualified." The reasons for this vary,
but

it's

mostly because too many businesses have this idea that RPG and
IBM

i

are

not capable (Which is completely untrue) and therefore
delegate

modern

tasks to other platforms. This becomes self-fulfilling,
because

the

RPGers don't get real life work experience with modern work.

To combat that, you have to start somewhere... and one approach

that

has worked well for several shops that I've talked to is to
hire

PHP

or

C programmers, and then TEACH them RPG. Many of them, once
they

get

past the learning curve, are REALLY impressed by the RPG and
IBM i environment. The integrated platform with integrated
database is a positive boon for them. Being able to write
business logic and

database

logic in RPG is something they enjoy, because it makes their
job

easier

than attempting the same thing in languages like PHP or C.

(Especially

C!)

And they bring a fresh viewpoint to old shops, and their
experience

with

modern development techniques comes along with them -- and the

results

are great.

So please don't be dismayed when you can't find RPG

programmers...

just

hire a PHP or C programmer, and teach them. I think you'll be

pleased

with that.

However -- and this is a mistake I've seen too many times --
don't

try

to thrust them into old-fashioned ways of doing things, that
will

turn

them off. Give them Rational Developer, not SEU/PDM. Have them

learn

and write apps in Free format code, with subprocedures and
other

modular

techniques, and SQL for file access. Don't start them off
with

legacy

stuff, or it will discourage them. (Though, probably down the

road,

they'll have to learn the legacy stuff to maintain older

applications

--

but don't start them there, or they'll get turned off of the

platform.)

-SK


On 12/7/2012 1:06 PM, Allen, Todd wrote:

I may be in the minority here but I'd shy away from using
CGIDEV2

for

any sort of web development. I say minority on this list only.

The

percentage of all web developers that have used or heard of

CGIDEV2

is probably less than .001%. We've found that RPG
developers are hard to find. RPG developers that have web
experience are even harder to find. If JSON is a
requirement then I'd also be

concerned

about processing JSON data with RPG. There are plenty of

libraries

out there for JSON processing but I don't know if you'll
find one

for

RPG.

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