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Re: Web Enabling Applications

And very valid points they were. I read his message this morning and wanted to acknowledge that his responses really summed up what the thread has been discussing.


Jim Cooper
Program Coordinator
Lambton College
jim.cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
519-542-7751 ext. 3219


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From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Henrik Rützou [hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:32 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

Jeff,

do you se Scott as an active part of this current discussion, in my view he
just made a statement
two days ago - that is my point


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Henrik,

What point are you trying to make? You obviously feel jilted in some way,
unless I'm completely not understanding what you're driving at.


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Michael,

yes - two days ago ;-)


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michael Ryan <michaelrtr@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

BS. Scott responded in this thread twice in a row. I'm able to read
them.


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Nice to know that Scott obviously sends out filtered mails that he
dosn't
want other to respond to


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jim Cooper <
Jim.Cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:

Another well put Scott.


Jim Cooper
Program Coordinator
Lambton College
jim.cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
519-542-7751 ext. 3219


________________________________________
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] on
behalf
of Scott Klement [web400@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 2:50 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

Todd,

What I've discovered is that RPG is simply a better language for
writing
business rules and business logic than the others.

I agree with your assessment that it's often hard to find qualified
RPG
developers. That's not to say that it's hard to find RPG
developers
--
but rather than most RPG developers on the job market have
out-of-date
skills, so are not "qualified." The reasons for this vary, but
it's
mostly because too many businesses have this idea that RPG and IBM
i
are
not capable (Which is completely untrue) and therefore delegate
modern
tasks to other platforms. This becomes self-fulfilling, because
the
RPGers don't get real life work experience with modern work.

To combat that, you have to start somewhere... and one approach
that
has worked well for several shops that I've talked to is to hire
PHP
or
C programmers, and then TEACH them RPG. Many of them, once they
get
past the learning curve, are REALLY impressed by the RPG and IBM i
environment. The integrated platform with integrated database is a
positive boon for them. Being able to write business logic and
database
logic in RPG is something they enjoy, because it makes their job
easier
than attempting the same thing in languages like PHP or C.
(Especially
C!)

And they bring a fresh viewpoint to old shops, and their experience
with
modern development techniques comes along with them -- and the
results
are great.

So please don't be dismayed when you can't find RPG programmers...
just
hire a PHP or C programmer, and teach them. I think you'll be
pleased
with that.

However -- and this is a mistake I've seen too many times -- don't
try
to thrust them into old-fashioned ways of doing things, that will
turn
them off. Give them Rational Developer, not SEU/PDM. Have them
learn
and write apps in Free format code, with subprocedures and other
modular
techniques, and SQL for file access. Don't start them off with
legacy
stuff, or it will discourage them. (Though, probably down the
road,
they'll have to learn the legacy stuff to maintain older
applications
--
but don't start them there, or they'll get turned off of the
platform.)

-SK


On 12/7/2012 1:06 PM, Allen, Todd wrote:

I may be in the minority here but I'd shy away from using CGIDEV2
for
any sort of web development. I say minority on this list only.
The
percentage of all web developers that have used or heard of
CGIDEV2
is probably less than .001%. We've found that RPG developers are
hard to find. RPG developers that have web experience are even
harder to find. If JSON is a requirement then I'd also be
concerned
about processing JSON data with RPG. There are plenty of
libraries
out there for JSON processing but I don't know if you'll find one
for
RPG.


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