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Re: PHP Strategy and opportunity

I agree that PHP is probably the best alternative to RPG web programming (if
you are looking for alternatives) concerning getting up and running fast
with both an environment and learning the language.

I am curious, what is the license for PHP usage? Or who owns it? Does it
have something like OpenJDK equivalence?

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog
www.OpenRPGUI.com
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com



On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mike Pavlak <mike.p@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am creating a new subject line here as we are moving well off topic of
ASF.

I agree with what you are saying. This is why I see PHP as a smart
language for RPG developers to consider. I try not to get into religious
wars about this language does this vs. that. By now we all know that each
language has advantages and disadvantages. But the ability to swing between
procedural and OO development gives RPG developers the kind of "on ramp"
that they have been looking for since IBM started their burger flipping
campaign for Java. By starting in the procedural model of PHP and growing
into the OO model, RPG developers benefit from the kind of learning curve
they enjoyed when Subfiles came about. In other words, be productive now
and continue to grow at your own speed. We all learn at a different pace
and I have seen many in the IBM i community working with very successful
projects in a variety of technologies. Some jumped on the Java bandwagon,
some Net.Data and some to M$. Having choices is what it is all about.
Picking a solution that works for you and your company is the key. And I
admit that religious wars about computer languages can be fun...in the
correct context. ;-)

Long live open source!

Regards,

Mike

mike.p@xxxxxxxx Cell: (408)679-1011 Office: (630)928-1476

Zend Server for IBM i avilable at
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-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:52 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

I am wondering if it had something to do with when PHP started including
OO.
Though I thought that was way back in PHP3.

FWIW, being able to do non-OO and OO in a single language has been good for
my usage of PHP. Though most of my "PHP OO" has been modular programming
more than anything (i.e. separate out related code components into
appropriately named PHP objects).

Aaron Bartell
www.MowYourLawn.com/blog
www.OpenRPGUI.com
www.SoftwareSavesLives.com



On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Mike Pavlak <mike.p@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am not familiar with the "battle" either. Joe, can you site some
references from which you are referring?

Regards,

Mike

mike.p@xxxxxxxx Cell: (408)679-1011 Office: (630)928-1476

Zend Server for IBM i avilable at
http://www.zend.com/en/products/server/zend-server-5-new-ibmi


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 7:42 AM
To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries'
Subject: Re: [WEB400] The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

I am not familiar with the PHP4 versus PHP5 battle. What in particular
are
you referring to?

(and for those wondering why the "claim to be Java" is so important, it
is
to avoid the little nasty corner cases which usually bite you in
production.
Passing the TCK (allowing you to claim to be Java) catches most of
these).
Proof: Look at OpenJDK - tiny issues in the corners which all in all
cause
the instinctive reflex to any problem to be "install Sun JDK and see if
it
goes away". It usually do.

/Thorbjørn

-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Joe Pluta
Sent: 10. december 2010 20:23
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] The ASF Resigns From the JCP Executive Committee

Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. I should have been more specific: this
limtitation prevents Harmony from running on an appliance and claiming to
be Java compatible.

It's really a tempest in a teapot, at least for now. As Thorbjørn noted,
SE 6 is perfectly adequate for anything coming down the pike. If Oracle
does indeed force a fork between "official" SE 7 and the current open
source JVM, it will be interesting to see how the open source community
rects - will new libraries use only SE 6 capabilities? Oracle is in
danger of turning Java into PHP - the PHP4 vs PHP5 battle is still not
pretty.

Joe


I don't agree with Joe that Oracle doesn't want Java running on
embedded
devices. Yes Oracles bread and butter is on the server side, but the
server
side usually talks to some kind of device on the user end.

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