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Joe,

I'd love to give it a try... show me how. What do I need to make it happen? I have a bunch of IBM products on the i5 here so I might have enough to get started. Is the EGL the IBM Rational product? I don't have Rational.

Thanks,

Dave

Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 5/20/2008 13:59 >>>
Crispin wrote:
Sorry David, but I have to disagree with you :-)


Of course without a good understanding of the generated code, trying to
fix problems in the code is going to be a nightmare.


Sure, but you certainly SHOULD NOT be modifying the generated code. You
SHOULD BE going back to the tool and resolving the bug at the higher level
generators afford you.

And it seems to work pretty well, actually. Actually, the small amount
of debugging I've needed to do was resolved with writing to STDOUT.

And that's why we're arguing about which technology is better to get a
business application to the Web, rather than getting it there. I've used
generators for almost 20 years. I write WinC/Java/5250/HTML clients. I write
JDBC/ODBC/SQL Server/DB2 backends. I put the business logic where it makes
sense. I can change where each piece goes on a whim.

I don't care that I use a tool. I use the tool to get the job done. I cared
when I first looked at generated code 18 years ago, because I was an RPG
coder, and I wanted to keep my job as a programmer. I see too many people
get defensive when it comes to something else writing the code for them. I
think these people need to get over it.

Just My Opinion :-)

I hate badly written code that I can do myself easier and/or more
quickly. However, with EGL it does far more than I can do by myself by
hand. I am the ultimate make vs. buy guy, and yet even I have to admit
that the tool does it better. I wish people would try it for themselves.

And when I get time, I will try to create some videos or some such
silliness to show people just how easy it is. But really, just download
the tool and go through the tutorial.

Joe

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