Re: Genexus development - opinions?

I don't know if 4GLs ever went away, Lansa and Synon (I think this was
the name) and ProGen have been doing this for a long time. The one
difference I see with this package is the ability to generate native
code for multiple hardware/OS environments from a single base code set.
I think every other one I have seen were single OS based. I see this as
much the same as Java (or at least what Java was envisioned to be), a
single set of code that would run on any OS. GeneXus does it at compile
time, Java does it at run time.

brad@xxxxxxxxxxxx 6/10/2006 10:41 AM >>>

I was going to say the same thing, about how it's a higher
level language like RPG/etc gets generated into machine
code.  So it is an interesting concept.

But the question then arises, why not just have GeneXus go
to machine code instead of an intermediate language?
Wouldn't it be easier for the developers to do that
instead of having to try and generate JAva, C, or any other
language from their one language?  (I'm sure there's more
to it than that, though).

Maybe it's an attempt to bring 4GL back, or introduce 5GL..
:)

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:58:38 -0500
"albartell" <albartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Those are all of the same thoughts I am having.  GeneXus
states that you
don't ever go back to the generated code but instead make
all of your
changes in the proprietary language.

I guess I would relate it to RPG code being generated
into machine code -
GeneXus is just doing the next generation of that mindset
and making
programming "easier". This had made me think what
programming will be like
in 2020. Will we all be using tools like GeneXus?  Just
think how much
better businesses could thrive if they didn't need to
spend as much on IT
programming as they do.  I guess I am just frustrated
with Java (i.e.
Tapestry/Hibernate/Spring/Hivemind to be specific) this
week and am dreaming
of better days :-)

The jury is still out concerning how well it works when
the rubber hits the
road. That is why I am hoping I can get somebody with
real world experience
willing to share the good times and bad.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog
 

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Subject: Re: [WEB400] Genexus development - opinions?

So, let me get this straight.

This is an application that you write code in a
proprietary language so it
will spit out code in your language of choice.  Write
code that generates
code.

The basis behind it being what?  Learn just the one
proprietary langauge and
you can program in any language? 

Yes, interesting concept.  10 bucks says it generates
horrible code (or do
we care?)

Coding, sure, it may be fine.  "Programming" on the other
hand... I don't
see it happening.

Brad

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:51:11 -0500
 "albartell" <albartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

When my schedule clears up I am going to look into this

new 

development platform I learned about at COMMON Mnpls

2006 called 

GeneXus.  I have seen a demo and was impressed with the

ease of 

creating a simple app.  The basic concept is that you

develop in their 

proprietary syntax and then generate code for any

number of languages 

from that proprietary syntax. In concept this is very

cool because 

they take the "pain" out of application development by

abstracting the 

stuff that takes forever to do (ie putting the

framework pieces 

together) and instead the developer is only concerned

about pumping 

out the next business logic app.  Almost like the

difference between 

Java and RPG :-)
 
Ok, so here is what I am wondering.  Has anyone else on

this list used 

the product and how do you like it?
 
TIA,
Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com/blog
 <mailto:aaron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 
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