The apparent IBM mindset that SAP, Oracle, and other large applications (or databases) running on the iSeries will sell more iSeries boxes is crazy. These vendors get IBM to help them port their apps to OS/400 and then when IBM isn't looking, they tell those very customers that were originally iSeries customers, "Hey, this stuff runs better on this cheap Unix/Linux box, so why not dump the iSeries". That way, the vendor doesn't need to upgrade or support the iSeries version of the product. This kind of this has occurred over and over again in the OS/400 space. I have to believe these kinds of deals only occur after a visit to the 19th hole on the Golf Courses of White Plains. -Bob Cozzi www.RPGxTools.com If everything is under control, you are going too slow. - Mario Andretti -----Original Message----- From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of albartell Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:09 AM To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries' Subject: RE: [WEB400] 520 pricing structure Interesting numbers! Let me share the other side of the coin to play devils advocate :-) One of my JSF apps I just released is running on a Dell rackmount Dual 2Ghz, 2GB RAM, 15K RPM HD, Dual Power supply, with Dell guaranteed 4 hours turnaround support for about $5000. So if I can get a Dell for 1/2 the price of the lowest iSeries and "get the same support", and use a development environment like MyEclipseIDE ($30/yr), why would someone go with an iSeries? (Playing devils advocate) It seems that if an IT shop knows how to play their open source cards, and aren't afraid of "not having support because it is open source", they can successfully run an enterprise with "open source" technologies. The funny thing is that IBM keeps pushing technologies (Java, Apache, etc) that allow people to run their apps on anything including iSeries. Many of the people making the decision to go or not go with iSeries have no idea why they chose the direction other than initial money saved. Aaron Bartell -----Original Message----- From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pluta Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 8:31 AM To: 'Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries' Subject: [WEB400] 520 pricing structure A little more research reveals the following: The low-end 520s are 1GB machines with 35GB available disk space. The littlest one has no development tools; it's an orphan edition. All the others include the tools (at an additional cost of $700, as I said). There are two other options: Option A: $5700 buys you RAID capability on your DASD. Option B: It costs another $11,500 for another 500CPW of power. Leading to four configurations: $11.4 for neither option $17.1 for option A only $22.9 for option B $28.6 for options A & B That seems a little steep for the extra CPW, but who am I to say? Note that this includes 30 interactive CPW on the base edition, 60 with option B. Joe > From: Joe Pluta > > As I read it, the price for query tools, iSeries access and WDS on a new > model 520 is about $700. Not bad, considering WSAD sells for about > $2500 a seat in the open market. -- This is the Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries (WEB400) mailing list To post a message email: WEB400@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/web400 or email: WEB400-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/web400.