Great information from Buck and Simon and all else contributing. Thanks people. As for the RF question: we are running Teklogix under their OS called TEKTerm...soon to be converting to a "Mocha-Soft" type emulation which will rid us of the workstation controller and provide colorization for the hand-helds...which will definetly enhance the WMS operations. Since this system runs on a Windows CE platform, I see no reason why we couldn't web face these thin client screens and run the jobs out of the web-faced "batch mode" without performance hindrance. IBM is telling us that as long as you have a minimum of 500 CPW, there should be no performance issues whatsoever with any interactive applications running in the web-faced batch environment. Our WMS environment is a heavy-duty transactional system (aren't they all?) and my only concern was how each program would react responsively if they were converted. I have seen attempts at Java-based WMS systems before and they all have been miserable failures...the more layers you run through, the more trouble you get into when every function key is asking for multiple database and program exchanges. However, with RPG still running on the 400 and just the screens serving HTML pages, I think this is no problem. The new box we are looking at will have 2000 CPW batch...60 interactive. The discount we are being told is 70 percent off if we purchase IBM's web-facing configurator. At a 100k purchase, that is severe. Why aren't more people jumping at this offer? That was the main point of the original post...any reason to balk at this? Anyway, thanks again for all the responses. Our community is still the best IT family on the planet. -----web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: ----- To: web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx From: "Buck Calabro" <buck.calabro@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 05/11/2004 05:00PM Subject: [WEB400] Re: Web-Facing and 5250 removal > Web-Facing is simply a process of building/converting > a Graphical User Interface (GUI) on top of a > new or existing business application. The term 'web-facing' and its ilk has been adopted by who knows how many people as a generic term meaning 'uses a web UI.' This is all too often confused with the IBM product called WebFacing which is part of WDSCi. It reads the DDS source and creates Java servlets and jsp pages for deployment on WAS or Tomcat. JWalk is a screen scraper, which is a process of reading the 5250 data stream and interpreting the look & feel based on what it sees. Neither WebFacing nor JWalk change the underlying RPG programs which make up the application, but at least WebFacing uses industry standard Java to create its UI. Why is this important? With IBM's WebFacing, you can convert your application once, and re-use the converted components (JSP, servlets, classes) in your own design. You've already deployed WAS and Apache and have literally all the infrastructure you need to add brand new servlets to the application. With a screen scraper, you get none of that and you are 'locked in' to their solution. You can't incrementally add to your existing deployed web code base because you haven't got any. When you want to make a change, you must go back to the DDS and make your changes there. Modern screen scrapers all have some way to customise the look of a screen, which often means that once you've changed the DDS you have to revisit the 'customiser' and make the GUI panel look good again. What to choose? It all boils down to the reason you are contemplating a web UI. If you don't want to pay for a leased line and want the new office in Guatemala to access your app via a browser, you have a different set of criteria and problems than if you are trying to use Java because it meshes with the corporate goal of interoperability with some other vendor's application, which in turn is a different problem than being an ISV who needs the cachet of a web based product in order to make sales. In general, the screen scrapers are very easy to use and deploy, but they have quirks in their recognition engines which are 'customised' so the panels look good. There's often a double maintenance penalty (DDS and customiser) but since everybody knows DDS already it isn't seen as that big a deal. Scrapers often don't need source code, and handle IBM panels like WRKSPLF. The re-facing crowd often require source, and often make changes to it. Almost invariably, those changes can be reused to enhance the application in the future. Because they use source, they don't have to make a guess about what the panel should look like, and thus have fewer glitches in the recognition engine. If your company wants to go to the web in a real way (learn Java, learn web infrastructure, good change management) then choose one of the re-facing products (PSC or WebFacing come to mind). If you aren't going to invest the effort in becoming web experts, then choose a scraper (JWalk, Newlook and I think aXes fall into this category.) --buck _______________________________________________ This is the Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries (WEB400) mailing list To post a message email: WEB400@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/web400 or email: WEB400-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/web400.
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