Re: Enter splits lines (was: Officially the weirdest thing I've seen in RDi)

+1.

Ken, I read about your problems and they are completely foreign to me. Maybe I'm just not pushing it as hard.

Roger Harman
Sr. Programmer Analyst
COMMON Certified Application Developer - ILE RPG on IBM i on Power


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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Cagle
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Enter splits lines (was: Officially the weirdest thing I've seen in RDi)

+1

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From: WDSCI-L <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jon Paris
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 4:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Enter splits lines (was: Officially the weirdest thing I've seen in RDi)

But this code vanishing thing is something that (as far as I know) only happens to you. I have had similar disastrous events with MS products - hell I've had MS products roast my entire bloody machine! I also don't like VS code - just can't make it work for me.

I hear your frustration - trust me I was bitching to the developers about Code/400 and WDSC long before you'd even heard about it. But I feel that your tone here can be highly counter productive. How do you think it affects the view of new users who are perusing this list seeking help getting started? Think it encourages them to keep going when they see an experienced user refer to the product as if it were a dung heap or worse? Maybe instead just talk to the facts and see if others are experiencing the same thing?

You already have the ear of the development team - write them direct. What point is there is scaring off the newbies with one off these rants?

Just one mans opinion.


Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

On Aug 21, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Ken Killian <kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jon,

My complaint about the splitting, is that it ERASED MY CODE! Unacceptable!

That is okay, use NotePad++. It has NEVER EVER, NOT EVEN ONCE Erased my code! Now you probably can understand my frustration.

Yeah, since I an RPG developers, who does some SQL. I am no expert at Data-Studio. It took me over 2-hours to even set it up to even do a simple query. I will admit I am stupid.

Use Microsoft SSMS, and was able to do my first query by myself in
less than a minute. After being connected to the correct database.
SIMPLE! <Joy Joy>

Just wish IBM could catch up to the ease of Microsoft...

My boss and all my co-workers are all Microsoft. So, they show me how "easy" their tools are to utilize. And I wish the IBM tools in navigation were that easy.

PS. I will try that drag and drop table, and see how that goes.


-Ken Killian-


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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Enter splits lines (was: Officially the
weirdest thing I've seen in RDi)

While I often agree with things you complain about Ken I don't understand the Enter/Split thing. It works for me - although not in SQL statements for some reason - I haven't explored that because I don't need it.

As to Data Studio - drag a table into the view, click on the names of the columns. Works for me.


Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

On Aug 21, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Ken Killian <kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It just cracks me up that Microsoft VS allows you to line split with the ENTER key. What a concept!

You can zoom in/out of your code too.

Microsoft SQL Editor has complete intellisense for field names and more. Unlike ACS and/or IBM Data-Studio.

Very strange to me that I can select field names with Green Screen STRSQL, but not with ACS or IBM Data-studio. The so called Modern tools. The Microsoft people laughed when I shout for JOY! I FINALLY have COLOR for my SQL!!!! <Joy Joy> Really, they said? We have had it since the 80's.

I tried to show the "FREE" IBM Data Studio to the MS types. Right away, they asked: "Where is the code-assist for fields? How come that does not work? Does IBM not support code assist for sql?"

I said, you have to read the manual to learn how to set up a project and activate "Code-Assist" for fields. While with Microsoft SSMS, it is automatic! No set up required!

But, I guess I can say that RDI is better than SEU & Edlin! <LOL>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edlin

It is with a heavy heart that I say these things with over 28-years on the IBM Platform.


-Ken Killian-

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Taylor
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Enter splits lines (was: Officially the
weirdest thing I've seen in RDi)

' No wonder it is light years ahead.'

I couldn't disagree more. VS is the worst thing about working in .NET. To each his own, I guess.



-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Killian [mailto:kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 8:09 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Enter splits lines (was: Officially the
weirdest thing I've seen in RDi)

I put in a RFE to allow you to zoom IN & OUT on the LPEX editor.

I was sort of hoping that the Open source Community might be able to fix that, if it was open source.

Other code editors, like Eclipse, Visual-Code, Visual Studio, NotePad++, IntelliJ, sublime, etc... Do have Zoom in/Out. Heck even our web browsers have zoom in/out.

I would not think that ZOOM IN & OUT is Rocket Science.

Microsoft has had professional Visual Studio for over 21-years. Their IDE has already graduated college! Yeah! No wonder it is light years ahead. Experience counts!

The quality of any Software speaks for itself!

PS. I will hold my breath until RDI goes Open-Source. <kidding>


-Ken Killian-