I would expect people moving over from SEU to stick with the Remote System
Explorer view and even use the SHow in Table which looks just like PDM
complete with PDM option numbers. Editing a member in RSE will always
maintain the sequence numbers and you can even put in your line commands
like dd, a, i, etc to take advantage of your current muscle memory.
Another thought I have is to beef up the Member/Object table views so that
they can be subset with wildcards, just like PDM. Maybe that would
convince the PDM users to come over as they can work just as before without
having to learn about RSE filters.
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From: Duane Scott <dscott@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2017-10-17 02:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] i Projects - improvements - request for input
Sent by: "WDSCI-L" <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
I've not got a LOT of dog in the fight except to defend those "old" (REALLY
senior) programmers who still know the code by sequence numbers... at least
a general location.
I WISH they weren't so attached to them, but I've got a 30,000 line program
that will be a long time before it's rewritten and reduced to a modern set
of code that could be referred to without the original line numbers. Yes,
occasionally a new programmer will renumber the lines and then all heck
breaks out.
It's difficult enough to get SEUers to switch, now you want to take away
ANOTHER warm and fuzzy???
Duane
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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hiebert,
Chris
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] i Projects - improvements - request for input
I Projects already reset all dates.
I've never really liked sequence numbers. I feel they just generate more
work. A line number that you have to maintain. And when someone forgets to
resequence...shudder...
Chris Hiebert
Senior Programmer/Analyst
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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
j.beckeringh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 6:23 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for
System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] i Projects - improvements - request for input
Edmund,
You focus on the sequence numbers and I see others answering that they
don't care about the sequence numbers. I can't imagine anyone really caring
about the sequence numbers; even SEU has the option to renumber on save.
But stripping the dates, that is something different. Traditionally many of
us programmers rely on these dates. When was this program changed? And what
was changed on that day? The method may be far from perfect, but it is
often the first, and often successful attempt at finding out what went
wrong. It may be true that source control offers richer traceability, but
taking away the source dates will force people, rather than convince them,
to change the way they work.
Sofar I have not found a compelling reason yet to delve into i Projects, so
I don't really mind whether i Projects strip sequence numbers and dates,
but I think it is only fair to emphasize that dates will also be stripped.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Joep Beckeringh
Systeemontwerper
Pantheon Automatisering B.V.
Heerenveen
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"Edmund Reinhardt" <edmund.reinhardt@xxxxxxxxxx>
16-10-2017 21:40
Hello everybody
You hopefully have seen that some gooodies are coming your way soon.
We did invest in iProjects in making it easy to submit builds and get
error
feedback from within the editor via shortcut keys, so your fingers
never have to leave the keyboard.
Another request was to be aple to set the associated connection and
library
for a selection of multiple iProjects. This is very handy when
extracting
projects from a source control system like RTC or Git.
In general when managing iProjects with source control, it is a much
safer
practice to strip off sequence numbers. While this is currently
available
as a preference ( Preferences>i Projects "Remove sequence number and
date
fields on download"),
it is not the default. The presence of sequence numbers in source
control
complicate many operations including compare. We are doing our best
to manage sequence numbers automatically in this coming release, but
there
are
still cases beyond our power.
I would like to make it the default to strip these sequence numbers,
since
the source control system provides a much richer traceability of who
changed what, when and for what reason, than the current sequence
numbers
provide.
Are there strong objections?
Thanks
Edmund
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