I'm firmly in the "worth every penny" camp.

BTW.... RDi is not "required" - you could edit code with Notepad or EDTF.

Roger Harman
COMMON Certified Application Developer – ILE RPG on IBM i on Power




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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 11:58 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDi way ahead

I see your point here but on that one system were code is developed and the compilers live you have to have a way to get source code to the compiler and initiate the compile so it seems to make sense to include at least one RDi license with the compiler since that is required to use the compiler. I can see a shop with 100 developers needing to pay more for RDi than a small shop with only a few.

Mike Cunningham


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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Buck Calabro
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 2:12 PM
To: wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDi way ahead

On 3/8/2017 1:27 PM, Greg Wilburn wrote:
I completely disagree... SEU is NOT a fully functional editor.

No, SEU is like Notepad. I used SEU the first year it was released, and it has /always/ been like Notepad. RDi is the fully functional editor that IBM provide.

We are a small shop... so buying one or two licenses is not that big of a deal. But it was a substantial cost that we were not expecting.

My boss made me wait for the next budget cycle, but then paid for a seat for each developer.

So if RDi is basically required, why isn't it included with the application programs?

Imagine that you work for the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles. Your team are responsible for deploying more than a hundred Power systems which run software developed by your group. Not one of those systems has a compiler or an editor - you send your code via SAVLIB and install it via RSTLIB. Should your group pay the cost of the compiler and IDE for those hundred systems? Or just on the single central system where developers actually develop software?

That's my understanding of why IBM unbundled the cost of RDi.
In the days of yore, we paid one big number and got the OS, the compilers, PDM/SEU, DFU/QRY, etc, etc - literally everything was one price. That price was a Big Number, and customers wanted to know exactly what they were getting, so IBM started breaking out the various line items and here we are.

Client Access is included.... it's not required for the operating
system,

It's included for a per-user fee, exactly as RDi is. Exactly as the RPG compiler is. WRKLICINF and see for yourself.

but who wants the machine w/out access via a PC?

NYS DMV offices which use a browser to access the application?


I'm not here to argue with you, or to try to tell you that you're wrong.
You aren't wrong. If you feel that the RDi fee is exorbitant, then it is. For you.

I personally feel differently, and make every effort to pitch the value proposition to my boss, her boss, /her/ boss, and to my colleagues.
Historically, this list has a tendency to vent about price, except when WDSC was bundled, then we vented about marketing. Sometimes (like now) I feel compelled to publicly state that I for one think I'm getting my money's worth.

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