I don’t think I ever looked at a usage limit for a compiler. I looked today and it is for 25. I have 9 people who can initiate a compile. Does that mean I could cut my license limit down to 9 and save some money? I also have 25 for 5770WDS

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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Wilburn
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:06 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDi way ahead

In my case (VERY small shop)... I have a usage limit of 15 on my compilers... should I not have a 15-user license of RDi?

My client access usage limit is *NOMAX

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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Wilburn
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 3:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDi way ahead

I agree with you for the most part... that is one of the better explanations I've heard.

But what it doesn't address those of us who purchase ONE machine with the OS, compilers, etc. Why does it not come with an RDi license for each license purchased for the compliers? Why would someone logically purchase the compilers without an editor?

As far as client access goes - you need at least one license to manage the machine. We don't even get one license of RDi when a compiler is purchased.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 2:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDi way ahead

That was explained well.

"I for one think I'm getting my money's worth." Me too...

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From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Buck Calabro
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 2:12 PM
To: wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] RDi way ahead

On 3/8/2017 1:27 PM, Greg Wilburn wrote:
I completely disagree... SEU is NOT a fully functional editor.

No, SEU is like Notepad. I used SEU the first year it was released, and it has /always/ been like Notepad. RDi is the fully functional editor that IBM provide.

We are a small shop... so buying one or two licenses is not that big of a deal. But it was a substantial cost that we were not expecting.

My boss made me wait for the next budget cycle, but then paid for a seat for each developer.

So if RDi is basically required, why isn't it included with the application programs?

Imagine that you work for the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles. Your team are responsible for deploying more than a hundred Power systems which run software developed by your group. Not one of those systems has a compiler or an editor - you send your code via SAVLIB and install it via RSTLIB. Should your group pay the cost of the compiler and IDE for those hundred systems? Or just on the single central system where developers actually develop software?

That's my understanding of why IBM unbundled the cost of RDi.
In the days of yore, we paid one big number and got the OS, the compilers, PDM/SEU, DFU/QRY, etc, etc - literally everything was one price. That price was a Big Number, and customers wanted to know exactly what they were getting, so IBM started breaking out the various line items and here we are.

Client Access is included.... it's not required for the operating
system,

It's included for a per-user fee, exactly as RDi is. Exactly as the RPG compiler is. WRKLICINF and see for yourself.

but who wants the machine w/out access via a PC?

NYS DMV offices which use a browser to access the application?


I'm not here to argue with you, or to try to tell you that you're wrong.
You aren't wrong. If you feel that the RDi fee is exorbitant, then it is. For you.

I personally feel differently, and make every effort to pitch the value proposition to my boss, her boss, /her/ boss, and to my colleagues.
Historically, this list has a tendency to vent about price, except when WDSC was bundled, then we vented about marketing. Sometimes (like now) I feel compelled to publicly state that I for one think I'm getting my money's worth.

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