Re: Outline View

Hi Ken

Yes, and those workarounds are necessary because of changes in Eclipse, not because the RDi developers decided just to change it.

It is not simple to determine just where the real issues are - Eclipse, RDi, some plugin, etc. Perhaps a side-effect of the power of Eclipse, that we can get lost in it.

Cheers
Vern

On 1/24/2015 10:58 AM, Ken Killian wrote:

Vern,

Thanks.

I remap my Quick open of member to Ctrl+Shift+Q to open a member. Of course I have done that since WDSC 6.0 days. And I had to unbind the "Quick-Difference" in the key binding. Just one of my many work arounds.

-Ken Killian-


-----Original Message-----
From: WDSCI-L [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vernon Hamberg
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 5:13 PM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

Even SEU distinguishes between browse and edit modes - F14 in display mode only has the find options - in edit mode, it has find/replace.

Ctrl-F is to my thoughts the same as F14 in SEU.

And I am also very familiar with Ctrl-F vs Ctrl-H - in MS products, that is expected behavior by now.

Now RDi is no longer tied down to Windows - I believe the more current releases also work on Linux. Apps in that environment don't necessarily follow the MS/Windows approach.

At the risk of making Ken the topic (I really do try to avoid that - principles above personalities, I've heard it said), I will say that Ken has also said he loves the product - in a post today about debugging.

Hey, I had a hate-hate relationship with the old WDSC for ages!!

Besides, would any of us want to try to keep up with the arbitrary changes the Eclipse folks make - we've suffered the Shift-Ctrl-A mess already.

Enough for now - we're all in this together, and I know my mix of love/frustration changes less and less! But it does change!

Cheers
Vern

On 1/23/2015 3:20 PM, MichaelQuigley@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Yes, and if I use find twenty times for every one time I use
Find/Replace, I would be pressing tab in this dialog more than I'm using Alt+P.

Ken keep screaming that EVERYTHING works by tabbing directly from find
to replace. Bring up notepad. Press Ctrl+F. There is no replace--same
with wordpad. The replace dialog is a separate one accessed by Ctrl+H.
Since we have a combined keystroke and dialog for find and
find/replace, I think we're stuck with Alt+P--at least for now.

And Ken if you really don't like it, don't use it. No one (repeat NO
ONE) is making you use it. I find it very reliable and greatly
increasing my productivity. Even when I'm trying to replace text, I
may press tab after being in the 'Find' box. But I simply press Alt+P to get to the replace.
Optimal? Maybe not, but it works and I'm still more productive.

If editor software is so simple, write your own.

Anyway, we can argue this till we're blue in the face. It's not
changing today--probably not next week or even next month. Open an RFE
for how you would like and let people vote on it. They can add
comments to the RFE if they disagree. I don't care. I'll take the
Alt+P and probably use it even if the behavior changes. I'm a creature of habit.
And I'm done with this discussion.

"WDSCI-L" <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote on 01/23/2015 03:32:33 PM:

----- Message from Greg Wilburn <gwilburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
on Fri, 23 Jan 2015 19:46:42 +0000 -----

To:

"'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries'" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Subject:

Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

I see what you're saying, but very often I am using replace with find.

Here are two other points for thought.

1. If tab went to the Replace box first, you press tab ONE more time
to get to the checkboxes - I have to press tab ELEVEN times to get to
the replace box.
2. If you are not replacing text during your find, it would be a good
practice to delete any text that was there before doing your search
(since RSE retains this) - On more than one occasion, I have
accidentally clicked on the Replace button (which happens to be just
under the Next button) by mistake.

My argument is that I cannot recall a single application (on any
platform), website, emulation screen, etc. where the TAB key "jumped
over" an adjacent field (data entry point)... so why should RSE?

Not to belabor the point... I don't want another ALT-<key> sequence
to remember.

Greg

----- Message from Ken Killian <kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> on Fri, 23 Jan
2015 20:01:13 +0000 -----

To:

"Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Subject:

Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

Buck,

I appreciate you sane sage advice, when I am going crazy with RDI...

When I updated my find preference, it did not tell me that I need a
restart. However, a re-start fixed my tab issue...

I have HUGE "Trust" issue with this unreliable software. I didn't
think Editor software should be so hard!!!!

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