Re: Outline View -- WDSCI-L

Even SEU distinguishes between browse and edit modes - F14 in display mode only has the find options - in edit mode, it has find/replace.

Ctrl-F is to my thoughts the same as F14 in SEU.

And I am also very familiar with Ctrl-F vs Ctrl-H - in MS products, that is expected behavior by now.

Now RDi is no longer tied down to Windows - I believe the more current releases also work on Linux. Apps in that environment don't necessarily follow the MS/Windows approach.

At the risk of making Ken the topic (I really do try to avoid that - principles above personalities, I've heard it said), I will say that Ken has also said he loves the product - in a post today about debugging.

Hey, I had a hate-hate relationship with the old WDSC for ages!!

Besides, would any of us want to try to keep up with the arbitrary changes the Eclipse folks make - we've suffered the Shift-Ctrl-A mess already.

Enough for now - we're all in this together, and I know my mix of love/frustration changes less and less! But it does change!

Cheers
Vern

On 1/23/2015 3:20 PM, MichaelQuigley@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Yes, and if I use find twenty times for every one time I use Find/Replace,
I would be pressing tab in this dialog more than I'm using Alt+P.

Ken keep screaming that EVERYTHING works by tabbing directly from find to
replace. Bring up notepad. Press Ctrl+F. There is no replace--same with
wordpad. The replace dialog is a separate one accessed by Ctrl+H. Since we
have a combined keystroke and dialog for find and find/replace, I think
we're stuck with Alt+P--at least for now.

And Ken if you really don't like it, don't use it. No one (repeat NO ONE)
is making you use it. I find it very reliable and greatly increasing my
productivity. Even when I'm trying to replace text, I may press tab after
being in the 'Find' box. But I simply press Alt+P to get to the replace.
Optimal? Maybe not, but it works and I'm still more productive.

If editor software is so simple, write your own.

Anyway, we can argue this till we're blue in the face. It's not changing
today--probably not next week or even next month. Open an RFE for how you
would like and let people vote on it. They can add comments to the RFE if
they disagree. I don't care. I'll take the Alt+P and probably use it even
if the behavior changes. I'm a creature of habit.
And I'm done with this discussion.

"WDSCI-L" <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote on 01/23/2015 03:32:33 PM:

----- Message from Greg Wilburn <gwilburn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
on Fri, 23 Jan 2015 19:46:42 +0000 -----

To:

"'Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries'" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Subject:

Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

I see what you're saying, but very often I am using replace with find.

Here are two other points for thought.

1. If tab went to the Replace box first, you press tab ONE more time
to get to the checkboxes - I have to press tab ELEVEN times to get
to the replace box.
2. If you are not replacing text during your find, it would be a
good practice to delete any text that was there before doing your
search (since RSE retains this) - On more than one occasion, I have
accidentally clicked on the Replace button (which happens to be just
under the Next button) by mistake.

My argument is that I cannot recall a single application (on any
platform), website, emulation screen, etc. where the TAB key "jumped
over" an adjacent field (data entry point)... so why should RSE?

Not to belabor the point... I don't want another ALT-<key> sequence
to remember.

Greg

----- Message from Ken Killian <kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> on Fri, 23
Jan 2015 20:01:13 +0000 -----

To:

"Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client
for System i & iSeries" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Subject:

Re: [WDSCI-L] Outline View

Buck,

I appreciate you sane sage advice, when I am going crazy with RDI...

When I updated my find preference, it did not tell me that I need a
restart. However, a re-start fixed my tab issue...

I have HUGE "Trust" issue with this unreliable software. I didn't
think Editor software should be so hard!!!!