Re: From My Wish List -- WDSCI-L

We looked at RTC EE a while ago for the IBM i build capabilities - but the pricing appears to be geared towards the 20+ developer shops. We needed it for a team of 3 - 5 and it was cost prohibitive.

To be fair, the competition (Aldon, Turnover, etc.) are also costly.

There are a couple of new European imports in the market that have a lower cost of entry. Arcad has been round longest but is not that much cheaper than the establishment crowd. One of the new boys (in North America) is Synergivity (http://www.synergivity.com/) which I'm due to get a briefing on in a week or two. There is another but the name completely escapes me at present.

On 2014-04-01, at 1:29 PM, Sam_L <lennon_s_j@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm curious if those interested in this thread have considered the
existing commercial products available, such as Aldon, Softlanding and
MKS (there may be others). Don't they all do build, promote and deploy?

I took a brief look at the RTC Package and Deployment article but I
couldn't quickly determine if RTC knows to deploy in the right order
(e.g. PF before LF, files and display files before modules and program).
Sophisticated deployment is already built into the existing commercial
products.

I understand price and maintenance may be an issue. If any of the
commercial folk are looking in, they might think about some kinds of
usage based pricing in an attempt to get to the small shop market.

Sam

On 4/1/2014 9:54 AM, Edmund Reinhardt wrote:

I am amazed at how unknown the RTC EE build facilities are. A lot of work
has gone into these over the past couple of releases,
But then again I see that IBM stealth marketing has hidden this quite well
as it is not obvious how to discover this on the web.

Here are some more links you can see details, tutorials on RTC EE
build/promote/deploy/packaging for IBM i

IBM i Dependency Build Video: https://jazz.net/library/video/1074
IBM i Dependency Build Article: https://jazz.net/library/article/1095

IBM i Package and Deployment Video: https://jazz.net/library/video/1351
IBM i Package and Deployment Article: https://jazz.net/library/article/1312

You can find links to useful content on this Useful Links page. Its a mix
of IBM i and z/OS as some things are common:
https://rtcee.wordpress.com/useful-links/

The RTC EE build uses Ant under the covers and has a dependency discovery
mechanism and does intelligent delta builds. But I still think that RDi
can help more with building the PGM the first time. One of the many
things I would love to do. I imagine this provides serious friction to
adoption of ILE.
Also ARCAD has tooling in this space as well, so IBM RTC is not the only
game in town as well as others like Turnover, Softlanding.

Regards,

Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
Technical Architect for Rational Developer for i

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