It has been a while since I originally posted this, but I read through the whole thread, and here are a few thoughts on how a feature like this would work. This is more in line with eclipse projects than RSE, but maybe I can come up with something on the RSE side as well. So from the i Project, when you go to create a new thing, you could add a few new options such as New ILE Program, New Service Program, New Binding Directory, NOT New Binder Language as that would be implicitly created as a part of the New ILE Program/Service Program. New ILE Program would create a non-source meta-data object. The editor would be a properties form that would allow the developer to include modules, and select the exports from the sub-procedures and attributes exported from the modules. You would also want to be able to maintain the rest of the properties needed for the create program to be built for the program. New Service Program would have similar functionality, and may want to be the same as the New ILE Program except you would need to know whether the object was a service program, or a program as some defaults would want to be different. I do not have an IBM i session available to me right now or I would be more specific. RDi could generate Binder Source based on the meta-data in the program/service program object in Eclipse, and these could be stored in the IFS somewhere. Even though this is fairly project centric, it could be made to work with RSE with filters pointing to the meta-data for ILE Programs and Service Programs stored in the IFS. This feature if implemented with an eye toward flexibility could even be used to create other non-source objects like data areas, data queues, and binding directories. If you could just give us that much and a way to use it from both RSE and i Projects, I would be a happy camper, and ILE development would take a giant leap forward. Of course in addition to the properties option in the right click menu, these non-source objects would need an intelligent build capability that would allow modifying or replacing the object if it already exists, or creating it fresh if it does not exist.
Mark Murphy
STAR BASE Consulting, Inc.
mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Edmund Reinhardt <edmund.reinhardt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: -----
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Edmund Reinhardt <edmund.reinhardt@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/31/2014 05:01PM
Cc: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] From My Wish List
I was just getting frustrated with the ILE support in RDi myself :-)
If you want a true dependency build, you have that in RTC or ARCAD
Or in i Projects you can make the equivalent of a makefile that manages
these.
But I agree that there should be better tooling support to set up the
initial build.
I was thinking of a split editor on the CL to build the CRTPGM command,
where you could drag in the modules and service programs you want to have
as input.
Of course you could build a binder source this way as well.
I would like some ideas just on how people would like to see the user
interface work for all of these things.
Of course I can't commit to doing this at any specific time schedule, but I
would to hear some brainstorming of how this should work.
Regards,
Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
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From: "Mark Murphy/STAR BASE Consulting Inc."
<mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 31/03/2014 03:33 PM
Subject: [WDSCI-L] From My Wish List
Sent by: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
I really like the idea of an IDE. It should do all the keeping track of
things for me. It should help me with my builds, it should make debugging
easier for me, and RDI does a lot of that very nicely. But one place where
it falls short is in helping with ILE builds. I shouldn't have to remember
what modules are used to build which service programs. I shouldn't even
have to manage binder source, the IDE should be able to do that for me.
Maybe I am missing something, but this sort of build support should be a
minimum level of support. I was talking to a colleague about ILE, and he
told me that he hasn't done ILE because it is too hard. To hard in that
there are too many moving parts, and no tools that know how to manage them.
If I am missing something, please let me know, but I just don't see it in
RDi. I was hoping that an I Project would be the ticket, but not really. It
lets you write a biding program, but that is not the tool doing the work.
What would be nice is to be able to define a service program in some sort
of meta data. A dialog would let me attach modules to the service program,
and then tell which procedures were exported. It would also allow me to
attach binding directories, and work with the binding directory entries. It
would be smart enough to know whether to create or update the service
program based on source dates, and whether or not I have added a new
module. And I would simply have to tell RDI to build the service program,
and it would do it all correctly. That includes recompiling the sources
that have changed, and updating or replacing the service program.
Generating the appropriate binder source with a static signature.
Disallowing moving or removal of exports if at all possible, or making it
painful to do so because that would require a rebind of all dependent
programs and service programs. It would be nice though if RDi could handle
that though as well, automatically.
Now I realize that some of you are pretty sophisticated with ILE objects,
and have processes and procedures in place to handle them for you, but
don't you think that this is really the job of the IDE? This isn't Notepad,
or even SEU.
Mark Murphy
STAR BASE Consulting, Inc.
mmurphy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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