Edmund,
Yes, I was referring to the IF/THEN in ILE RPG.
I didn't know about the Alt-I. I am assuming that my flying fingers somehow pressed Alt-I by mistake. But the whole program was not converted, just what was in quotes. Is that how it is supposed to work? I know about the CTRL-Y and Z, as it has been a lifesaver in the past. But I saved the source, and then RDi crashed, and I had to bring it up again, so the CTRL-Y was gone.
In regards to the Screen Designer, I don't remember if the asterisk was there. However, I brought up the same source in View mode, and I was not able to make changes, so I am sure I was not in View mode. I will try again next time I make screen changes, and see if it happens again.
Thank you,
Doug
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1. Re: Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi (Tarr, Kenneth)
2. Can't save on RDi (Englander, Douglas)
3. Re: Find and the latest fix pack (Anderson, Kurt)
4. Re: Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi (Jones, Mike)
5. Re: Can't save on RDi (Edmund Reinhardt)
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message: 1
date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 15:33:46 +0000
from: "Tarr, Kenneth" <Kenneth.Tarr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi
We brought RDP (now RDi) into our office for our developers to use, and I was excited by the fact I could continue utilizing such a tool at my new employer. One or two others within the company were also excited by this, but the majority of individuals didn't seem to share the same excitement.
The plan was to get the product in house, get the licenses, then get training. Two of those three did take place, but not the training. In the midst of getting training put together, two high profile projects came into play, and...the rest is history. Now I am not sure of the direction that RDi will take, but hope to have answers in the next month or so.
Ideally, I have touted the benefits of using RDi here, and use it every chance I get to show the benefits to other individuals. I hope through repeated exposure of this that it might catch on with others. But right now that's an uphill battle. Until then, I'll continue to use it, report any issues to IBM (along with any workarounds I come across), and hope at a future date the benefits of RDi can be realized by those who have the power to move things along here. And I'll be glad to show them what they are missing.
BTW, the product is working much better with the latest updates, which should help soothe those who choose not to use RDi based on past experiences. A few issues remain, but it's getting better.
-- Ken
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From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Bailey
Sent: December 19, 2013 05:16 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio Client for System i & iSeries
Subject: [WDSCI-L] Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi
I've been using WDSCi/RDi/RDp (from now on, just RDi) for many years, and I have been the primary (if not sole) driver in getting my colleagues to use it.
In discussions with my colleagues I point out the features that make things easier, the tools that could make their programming lives just a little better. This is a tough argument because SEU/PDM still does things that can't be done in RDi, but I usually have a 50% success rate in the number of colleagues adopting RDi. The facts that SEU is now static even if RPG is not, and the general usage of an Eclipse tool will help advance/expand their careers and skillsets are also strong arguments. The learning curve is a downside, but I try to skirt around that.
I'm under time constraints all the time. It takes an hour or more to install and/or upgrade RDi and that time is often precious and needed elsewhere, so at the moment I am the only user in my company using the latest version (9.0.1). Two of my colleagues are still using v8.5 and today *both* of them came across the bug where source was saved in RDi but didn't turn up on the IBM i (no errors, the source just didn't get transferred.) There were tantrums, rants and toys were thrown out of prams (slight exaggeration, but you get the idea?) and now both are refusing to use the tool until it is updated. Their faith in the tool, and in my advice, has been damaged.
I guess I am just venting my frustration here and I apologise for bending your ears (screens?) but I am just wondering how successful others are at getting their colleagues to use the tool. What are your best arguments for all the SEU-fanboi nay-saying, and how do you recover from faith-damaging errors such as the one my colleagues suffered today?
-Paul.
PS Can I get some commission from IBM for being the only person in four different companies over the past 10-15 years that has championed RDi?
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message: 2
date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:58:55 -0600
from: "Englander, Douglas" <Douglas_Englander@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: [WDSCI-L] Can't save on RDi
I just made some changes to a DSPF screen using Screen Designer. I was finished and tried to save my changes, however, the Save button was grayed out. I was not open in View mode. Has anyone experienced this before?
Also, yesterday, I was using RDi, and somehow, most, but not all, of the IF comparison values that are enclosed in quotes were somehow all changed to lowercase.
I had to go through the source, scanning for a single quote, and check each occurrence to make sure the case was correct and change it back to uppercase.
I have not had either of these before, however, I do not use Screen Designer that much because it is not reliable for me.
I am using V 9.0.0.1
Thank you,
Doug
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message: 3
date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:06:17 +0000
from: "Anderson, Kurt" <KAnderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Find and the latest fix pack
Done.
-Kurt
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Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Find and the latest fix pack
Interesting thought, Kurt, you may well be right! That's the nice thing about writing tools for programmers, they understand how things work under the covers :-)
Would you mind appending that tip to the PMR? I haven't seen the PMR because it is being routed to a different team that is responsible for the base editor that we reuse for both RDi and RDz.
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From: "Anderson, Kurt" <KAnderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
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Date: 19/12/2013 09:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Find and the latest fix pack
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Hi Edmund,
I had opened a PMR for it as well. I just had a thought though. With the
editor now loading a highlighted value into the find field, I wonder if no highlighted value means it's clearing the find field.
-Kurt
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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Find and the latest fix pack
I opened an internal work item to address this bug.
Regards,
Edmund (E.H.) Reinhardt
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From: "Anderson, Kurt" <KAnderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 18/12/2013 09:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Find and the latest fix pack
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I got it as well. I just searched on blahblah and was told: "" not
found.
-Kurt
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Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:01 AM
To: wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Find and the latest fix pack
On 12/17/2013 8:13 AM, Paul Bailey wrote:
I've come across a minor issue with FIND in IBM i source code for RDi
9.0.1.
CTRL-F, type your search argument, and if the source doesn't contain
it
you are told: "" not found. It should read something a little more descriptive, such as "st" not found or "not found in source".
I noticed there was a change to correct the find history in the patch
notes, so that might be related. But first can anyone else reproduce
the issue? (It may be just my problem.)
Duplicated here. It's not just you.
--buck
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message: 4
date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:01:40 +0000
from: "Jones, Mike" <mike.jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi
I think it is great you're promoting RDi.
However, I learned a long time ago, it often doesn't matter what you say, regardless of the facts you present. What usually matters is, who delivers the message.
Recommend to their managers that using it should be considered mandatory and a requirement for them to receive a good performance review. The managers should be the ones pushing adoption of RDi.
Mike
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Subject: [WDSCI-L] Promoting WDSCi, RDp and/or RDi
I've been using WDSCi/RDi/RDp (from now on, just RDi) for many years, and I have been the primary (if not sole) driver in getting my colleagues to use it.
In discussions with my colleagues I point out the features that make things easier, the tools that could make their programming lives just a little better. This is a tough argument because SEU/PDM still does things that can't be done in RDi, but I usually have a 50% success rate in the number of colleagues adopting RDi. The facts that SEU is now static even if RPG is not, and the general usage of an Eclipse tool will help advance/expand their careers and skillsets are also strong arguments. The learning curve is a downside, but I try to skirt around that.
I'm under time constraints all the time. It takes an hour or more to install and/or upgrade RDi and that time is often precious and needed elsewhere, so at the moment I am the only user in my company using the latest version (9.0.1). Two of my colleagues are still using v8.5 and today *both* of them came across the bug where source was saved in RDi but didn't turn up on the IBM i (no errors, the source just didn't get transferred.) There were tantrums, rants and toys were thrown out of prams (slight exaggeration, but you get the idea?) and now both are refusing to use the tool until it is updated. Their faith in the tool, and in my advice, has been damaged.
I guess I am just venting my frustration here and I apologise for bending your ears (screens?) but I am just wondering how successful others are at getting their colleagues to use the tool. What are your best arguments for all the SEU-fanboi nay-saying, and how do you recover from faith-damaging errors such as the one my colleagues suffered today?
-Paul.
PS Can I get some commission from IBM for being the only person in four different companies over the past 10-15 years that has championed RDi?
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message: 5
date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:12:55 -0500
from: Edmund Reinhardt <edmund.reinhardt@xxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Can't save on RDi
Doug, I am sorry to hear of the struggles you have been having.
The Alt-I keystroke converts the selection to lower-case in the editor. I
have sometimes pressed that in error. The quickest anti-dote is to hit
Ctrl-z for undo. This has saved me many hours or rework. You can hit
Undo multiple time to walk back through changes, and then hit Ctrl-y for
redo, if you undid too many things. I assume that you were speaking of IF
in ILE RPG?
As to the save greyed out, I haven't seen that, so if anyone else can help
identify the circumstance under which this happens, it would help.
So if you made a tiny change, like hit space in a blank area, would save be
greyed out. Did the editor tab, not have an asterisk preceding the title
(indicates that there are unsaved changes)?
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From: "Englander, Douglas" <Douglas_Englander@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 19/12/2013 10:59 AM
Subject: [WDSCI-L] Can't save on RDi
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I just made some changes to a DSPF screen using Screen Designer. I was
finished and tried to save my changes, however, the Save button was grayed
out. I was not open in View mode. Has anyone experienced this before?
Also, yesterday, I was using RDi, and somehow, most, but not all, of the IF
comparison values that are enclosed in quotes were somehow all changed to
lowercase.
I had to go through the source, scanning for a single quote, and check each
occurrence to make sure the case was correct and change it back to
uppercase.
I have not had either of these before, however, I do not use Screen
Designer that much because it is not reliable for me.
I am using V 9.0.0.1
Thank you,
Doug
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