Re: EGL vs. Java

[Brian <system.i.lists@xxxxxxxxx>]

Joe et al,

According to this announcement letter http://tinyurl.com/3dsly9, the
new replacement for RBDe is Rational Business Developer 7.1 and appears to
be a stand alone product that no longer requires RAD. Further, it appears
that the RDi - SOA product is just a software bundle that includes both the
RBD 7.1 and RDi V7.1 products.

A significant change to note with these new per seat developer tools is that
the maintenance will now be handled through Passport Advantage. From a cost
standpoint, this means that you will be paying 20% of the list price of each
seat per year for maintenance separate from and in addition to the normal
SWMA charge for your i5/OS and LPPs.
I recently received an invoice from IBM that included a $300/seat
maintenance charge from Passport Advantage for each of our RBDe 7.0 seats.

Joe, you were at the meeting and I wasn't so if you think I'm interpreting
this announcement letter incorrectly, I'll defer to you.

Regards,

BJ



On 1/30/08, Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> johnking@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> John, there is no RBDe anymore.  At least not as far as System i
> developers go (although now I have to admit I'm not sure how it works
> with RAD, the non-System i Rational Application Developer).  Anyway,
> there will be RDi which will be priced roughly equivalently with ADTS,
> the green-screen tools, on a per-seat basis.  So basically, they've
> unbundled SEU/PDM/SDA and then given you an option on whether you want
> green screen or GUI tools.  Your choice.  I suspect that they may even
> price ADTS a bit higher, as an incentive to get you to RDi.
>
> But base RDi has NO web application development tools. Enough System i
> customers have convinced IBM that there is a significant base of System
> i users that have no interest in and will never move to web
> development.  And so, in order to keep a sort of parity, IBM now has in
> effect created a GUI development suite for green screen developers.  I
> don't get it, but that's what the new announcement gives you.  The good
> news is that this suite is comparably priced to the old suite,
> especially if you have few developers and don't need OPM compilers.
>
> However, web development costs extra.  I don't know if it's going to be
> $1000 a seat or $2000 a seat.  It could even be more, or less, but my
> guess is somewhere in between (although that could just be wishful
> thinking on my part).  Anyway, for that, you get RDi-SOA, which includes
> all the web development tools you saw in WDSC such as WDHT.  More
> importantly, it will include the EGL tooling as part of the package.
>
> Hope that helps clear things up a bit.
>
> Joe