I prefer that the list remain, even with very low activity. There are elements that would be better discussed in a limited environment before spilling over into wider distribution. For general questions such as those often posted to Midrange-L, wide distribution is probably a good thing.

But various topics involve personal attitudes, can take on "religious" feelings -- e.g., "Use the cycle!" vs. "Modernize at all costs!" -- and shouldn't clutter other lists. (Yes, I know that example is mostly irrelevant to this list; it was just an illustration to avoid actually mentioning relevant topics and kick-starting old debates.)

Another topic that _might_ have been more appropriate here first was raised on Midrange-L a couple months back. I thought it would have been better to cover it in depth here and later post a reference in Midrange-L pointing back to the thread here; the Security archive then would have it instead of Midrange-L. The topic was telnet exit programs and the proper handling of bypass-signon and password verification.

A year or two ago, I saw that the source for a fairly popular shareware/sample telnet exit program did not include complete handling for those attributes. I contacted the author and had a discussion about updating the source to include complete handling because, as distributed, that telnet exit program could be exploited to allow anyone total access to the AS/400. I also asked the author _not_ to comment publically about it until he could feel more comfortable that corrected versions had been made available and distributed as far as reasonable. A more public discussion could have compromised numerous systems immediately.

Now, a discussion about that scenario already gets into the "Full disclosure!" vs. "Keep it secret!" debate. As such, I'd say it belongs here, not Midrange-L. When anyone is interested, the archives can be checked without bothering those who couldn't care less.

In short, I'd vote to keep the list even with minimal traffic. The _potential_ seems worthwhile.

Tom Liotta

Mike Wills <koldark> wrote:

I think many times the questions just get asked on MIDRANGE-L.

Do we really need this list if it isn't being used?

Tom Liotta
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