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Dave, >Yeah, I know (and knew) that's what they were for. It horrified me anyway, Agreed. If I'm not mistaken, you can't even set a machine lower than 30 anymore, and new boxes default to 40. Both of these are good things. Of course, jyou can run at 30 or 40 with *PUBLIC access to just about everything and effectively not be more secure than 20... Doug
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