Re: IBM i 7.6 Development tools -- RPG400-L

Look at Fresche Solutions, Presto.
Minimal development and your green screen apps flourish in a web interface.

On 4/21/2025 1:03 PM, Raul Alberto Jager Weiler wrote:

Converting a green screen to the web is not a trivial task, BUT it is much
easier (cheaper and safer) than moving to another platform.

Writing a new application for the web is great, you have a very efficient
user interface, less limitations on what you can do, and easier to learn
for new users. True, there is a learning curve, once you get over it you
will never want to write for green screen again.

In both cases it is a MUST to write web applications, not green screen
simulation.
I have been using CGIDEV2, I know there are other options, but I did not
try them because I am very satisfied with it. Small programs, one program
for each task, fast, easy to debug and to update.

On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 12:39 PM myibmi via RPG400-L <
rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,
I see this in a differentiated way and not always positively for IBM. I
remember when I switched from assembler programming to my first IBM system,
an S/34 system. Cycles and indicators, everything in a fixed format,
totally unfamiliar, but one important thing: Simple! Even moving away from
the cycle and then the relational database, the system remained simple. The
result was a successful system, the AS400 with plenty of standard
solutions. Today? I don't see anything anymore. Why? And this is where I
blame IBM the most. They have failed to make modern development workbenches
available to programmers. Move away from 5250, yes - but with what? JWalk,
EGL, VRPG? Useless in the past! How much time and money was wasted.

And now? Make web applications. Gladly, but give me the right tool for it.
ProfoundUI e.g. is great, but it should have come from IBM and should have
been applicable for standard software developers. Or does anyone think,
customers pay thousands just to get a GUI. If you believe rumors, that IBM
would have had such an OA solution, put it in the drawer. And building web
solutions is not that easy as it seems.
Then database. The RDB is great, but ancient. I cheered when an
announcement came that MongoDB would be available on the i. Not for long,
this intention was quietly laid to rest. Why I'm so excited about? Because
it maps data in a natural way. An order e.g. contains all the relevant
data in a single document and still has full relational data access. No
headers, positions and all the conventional relational db file design. Plus
the scalability, horizontally and vertically, without a fixed schema,
GUI-based management and corresponding security - local or cloud based or
both. No, I'm not a MongoDB vendor, but this is my idea of modern software
development.

In the future, I no longer see the IBM i as a scale-out system as well.
Rather an enterprise system for large companies with their own staff.
It's not a bad idea to think outside the box and take a critical look at
certain trends.
And now, what keeps you on the IBM i, the web server, the database, the
development environment, the operating system?

Just my 2 cts.
KF
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Von: RPG400-L [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von
Raul Alberto Jager Weiler
Gesendet: Montag, 21. April 2025 17:26
An: RPG programming on IBM i
Betreff: Re: IBM i 7.6 Development tools

Hi Patrik

¿do your users know that the IBM i can provide a very good web interface?

On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 9:17 AM Patrik Schindler<poc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Raul,

Am 20.04.2025 um 00:37 schrieb Raul Alberto Jager Weiler <
raul.jager@xxxxxxxxx>:

I realy love the green screen, most of my work I do there.

Interesting. From all your comments I guessed quite the opposite.

But the users and the " decisions makers" like better the web.
Once a user tries a web application he dos not what to go back to the

green

screen.

That heavily depends on the type of user. What might be true for the

users

you know is quite different for most users I know. "My" users are mostly

IT

guys with a tendency towards being nerds.

So, if we like to continue having a green screen for our use, be better
give the users web applications.

I prefer to actually ask the users what they prefer, and deliver that.

:wq! PoC

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