Re: RDi vs SEU - greybeards

I had a guy go into the boss every day for 3 years and tried to get me
fired because I had used SQL and everyday I had to remind the manager that
we were an SQL shop and we had tons of SQL. He retired shortly after. His
mind was so far gone he did not know day to day what you told him.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:15 PM, John King <jking@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Oh, that's funny!

When I came on-board a couple of years ago, the greybeards I work with
filed a complaint with our IT manager about that strange new "RPG free"
language I used. They were concerned they wouldn't be able to maintain the
code in case of an emergency. Now imagine trying to make those guys quit
using SEU!

JK

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From: RPG400-L [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jon
Paris
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: RDi vs SEU

100% agreed Jerry.

I have worked with a number of shops where the manger got so frustrated
with the recalcitrance of the RPGers that he removed their SEU access
rights. I have also worked with a numberwho have told their programmers
that if they don't make the effort to learn the new tools then they will be
forced to. They all get used to using RDi very quickly and now do the
sensible thing and rarely use SEU.

In one case (back in the Code/400 days) the manager gave the rights back
after four weeks - but nobody noticed!


Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

On Apr 3, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Jerry Adams <midrange@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jon,

I think someone else (no names) suggested this awhile back, but, if
SEU was secured so that you/I could not use it, and if our only choice
was RDi, what would we do?

When I was a manager (eons ago), I actually implemented something like

that.

D@#n if those little twerps didn't come around (after much chest
thumping and rending of clothing). Like Colson said, "Grab 'em by the
[gonads] and their hearts and minds will follow."

Jerry C. Adams
I'd like to offer moral support, but I have questionable morals.
IBM i Programmer/Analyst
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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: RDi vs SEU


On Apr 3, 2015, at 1:31 AM, John Yeung <gallium.arsenide@xxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Maybe some have even given the RDi
trial a shot, and like what they see, but really *are* up against the
cost.

This is the part I find so hard to understand.

Is there anyone on this list who would not claim that they are as a
minimum 5% more productive with RDi once past the initial hump?

Personally I'd say at least 25% and I know Susan feels that 40 or 50%
is closer to the mark for her. I get at least 10% out of outline view

alone!

Given that (including overheads) I doubt there are any RPGers out
there who cost less than $100K a year - then if RDI is $1,000 that
means that the programmer has only got to be a pathetic 1% more
efficient to make it pay for itself. Anything above 1% is gravy.

And if you can't even get 10% you ain't trying and maybe should find a
new career!

As I say - I really think the whole cost thing is just another excuse.
Of course I'd be happy if it were free - I'm a self-employed
consultant and that money comes right out of my pocket. But history
has shown that this community does not really value what it gets for
free - adoption went way up _after_ IBM put a price on the tool. It
has zoomed again as people finally understand that SEU is not being

updated.

Jon Paris

www.partner400.com
www.SystemiDeveloper.com

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