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whatt sson,
Thank you; such an unexpected and interesting reply!

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Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 7:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Need some ammunition (Procedures vs. Sub-routines)

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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Gary Thompson <gthompson@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Buck, I think you nailed it.

We're well served to understand how often "reason and logic are not
going to work here".

Years ago a close friend said to me; "Man is irrational".

Sounded too extreme at the time, after all, I remember thinking, man
developed the concept of democracy, the polio vaccine, computers and
put a man on the moon.

Some 35 years later, his statement seems every bit as sound to me as
the concept of gravity.

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On Behalf Of Buck Calabro
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:33 AM
To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need some ammunition (Procedures vs. Sub-routines)

On 12/27/2013 1:21 PM, RPGLIST wrote:
I truly believe its a combination of themes, I suppose it might help
here also to list out some of the objections people have had to them
and then give a response to each objection. I was originally
thinking of just giving them bullet points and why they are better, etc.
However, in hindsight I'm thinking I need to add a list of
objections and then overcome each one.

Hi Dutch,
I've been through this many a time. I don't know your shop, don't
know you, don't know your management. So my advice comes from my
experience and what I can infer about your situation from the sum total of your posts.
Apologies in advance for the presumptuousness on my part.

You don't need ammunition: reason and logic are not going to work here.
The objections are emotional and I've never known a person to abandon
his emotional position in the face of logic. In fact, the reverse is
almost always true - in the face of logic, the emotional person clings
ever tighter to his irrational position. And surely, 'test every
program' is the definition of irrational.

That doesn't sound like good news for you, but I don't know your
situation. You might be able to buy the rest of the group some pizza
and wings and have a 'lunch and learn' and show the others how
procedures make their lives easier. Don't be the smartest guy in the room, be their waiter.

Ammunition means you want to argue, to fight. Don't do that.
Instead, listen to the objections, realise they are emotional and see
if you can't comfort them instead. Once they are past their panic,
their reason will kick in, and then you can have them read McConnell
or Knuth or any one of a dozen internationally acclaimed authors in
the computing field. When the objection arises that Knuth is too
ivoury tower and doesn't relate to the midrange arena, try Paris or
Tuohy or Pluta. If some new objection arises, they aren't past panic yet.
--buck
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