Re: Anyone not using WDSC for RPG development

Or they can just work you an extra half hour a day and not pay anything ?
 
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Booth Martin
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From: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Date: 06/09/05 12:37:45
To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: Anyone not using WDSC for RPG development
 
With a faster machine, I can save my company about 30 mins a day. 30
mins/day * 261 work days (about) = about 130 hours/year wasted wating for
the computer to catch up. 130 hour at (lets say $20/hour salary) =
$2,600/year computer is now paid for in less than a year's time.
 
On 6/9/05, Bob Cozzi <cozzi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Yes, but American companies only care about "this" quarter, not 12-month
> payback. <tic>
>
> -Bob Cozzi
> www.RPGxTools.com <http://www.RPGxTools.com>
> If everything is under control, you are going too slow.
> - Mario Andretti
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Wilt, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:52 AM
> To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
> Subject: RE: Anyone not using WDSC for RPG development
>
> Let's see 75 developers...
>
> Let assume you each make 30K.
>
> That's $2.25 Million a year in your budget just for personnel salaries.
>
> A new PC at $700 for each you comes out to $52,500. Granted it seems like
> a
> big number to your or I. But it's only 2% of what the company spends on
> just your salaries.
>
> So lets look at an quick ROI:
>
> new PC's:
> $52,500
> month of lost productivity learning WDSC: $187,500
>
> --------
> Total cost
> $240,000
>
> Assuming WDSC improves your productivity by 10% ($18,750/mo) you have an
> ROI
> in only 12.8 months.
>
> That's a pretty dang good ROI IMHO, and using very conservative numbers.
> I've got you taking a month off to learn WDSC. That's probably not going
> to
> happen. Nor do I think a month long class is really needed. Figure a month
> at 50% productivity and the ROI is even better.
>
> Not to mention calculating only a 10% productivity improvement. I'd say
> that's considerably low. You use WDSC, how much more productive do you
> find
> it? I myself give it at least 50% just dealing in RPG III. For true ILE
> RPG IV using free format and long names, I'd have to put the figure at
> closer to 100%.
>
>
> Forget trying to get developers to beg to use WDSC, work up a realistic
> ROI
> and management will be mandating the use of WDSC.
>
>
> Charles Wilt
> --
> iSeries Systems Administrator / Developer
> Mitsubishi Electric Automotive America
> ph: 513-573-4343
> fax: 513-398-1121
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Christen, Duane J.
> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:31 AM
> > To: 'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'
> > Subject: RE: Anyone not using WDSC for RPG development
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> > I've heard this argument before.
> >
> > I don't buy it.
> >
> > First off, you can get an 3GHz class machine for much less
> > than $1,000.
> > Here's an Athlon 64bit 3200+ w/1GB RAM from HP for $700.
> > </snip>
> >
> > Niether does this company. We have approx 75 developers, at
> > $700 a pop that
> > is still more than pocket change. I am the only one using
> > WDSCi "full time"
> > on a 2.4GHz with 1GB ram, and there are several others using
> > CODE. I pushed
> > for the machine to use WDSCi and I beleave that if others
> > where interested
> > and pushed for it they would get one also, but there doesn't
> > seem to be the
> > interest.
> >
> > Most of our developers are "Jobbers" (this is their job not
> > their passion)
> > and as long as the paycheck shows up they are happy. On the
> > other hand WDSCi
> > is, IMO much more clunkly than SEU/PDM. I can code, compile,
> > debug, run
> > commands, etc... all without touching a mouse, lifting my head, and no
> > waiting. With WDSCi I can hardly go five minuites without
> > touching the mouse
> > to get to where I want to go without 15 keystrokes. (That is
> > assuming you
> > can get there with keystrokes) And if you finally get were
> > you want with
> > keystrokes you may not be able to repeat the process because the same
> > keystrokes don't always perform the same way.
> >
> > After nearly 2 months of forcing myself to use WDSCi for RPG
> > coding, I still
> > have not seen a performance improvement in my coding. WDSCi
> > looks better,
> > and the 60+ lines of code per page is nice but nither of
> > these are really
> > worth loss of "ease of use" of SEU/PDM... (The outline is another nice
> > feature of WDSCi but when it take 2-10 minuites to build the
> > outline it is
> > nearly useless to me)
> >
> > I will continue to use WDSCi and hopefully in the future I
> > will become more
> > capable, and so will it.
> >
> > Duane Christen
> >
> >
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