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Sometimes it takes an act of congress to upgrade PC "at work". I know when I go into a shop and they're still using Windows 98 desktop environments, I get depressed. But the cost isn't $25 (or 20 Euros) to go to 1GB of RAM, it is the cost of doing that times the number of machines they have, plus the overhead of having the "PC person" install it, upgrade the OS to Windows 2000 or XP and then upgrade all the software as necessary. So a seemingly $25 upgrade is suddenly costing $10,000 to $20,000 to implement. So I always suggest that during lunch, go over to Circuit City and buy the extra memory using your own money and stealthily put it into your PC when no one is looking. Then just play dumb. If you need to move from Win98 to W2k or XP then that's slightly more complicated. There are four basic problems (barriers to market) with regards to WDSc. 1) IBM is used to building poorly performing code because they want to sell you more hardware--regardless of whether this thinking applies to the software product or not. 2) They decided Java was the right platform. 3) The thing doesn't run on the current in-place inventory of PC assets in most iSeries shops. 4) It is overwhelming to an SEU user when they start it up. It doesn't need to be, but it is, and that's IBM's fault. So yes, the 2% of users who don't have the barriers or overcome them find WDSc compelling and useful and can't figure out why everyone else can have a 3Ghz PC with 1GB+ of RAM. I suppose I could ask, why doesn?t' every college kid who depends on Mom and Dad's money, have a 60 inch Plasma HDTV in their dorm room? Economics. -Bob Cozzi www.RPGxTools.com If everything is under control, you are going too slow. - Mario Andretti -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin Williams Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:24 AM To: 'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries' Subject: RE: Anyone not using WDSC for RPG development Mark, It amazes me that companies wont stump up £25 to upgrade a few PCs to 1GB of memory. That's less than most computer reference books out there cheers Colin.W http://as400blog.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: MWalter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:MWalter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 09 June 2005 13:18 To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: Re: Anyone not using WDSC for RPG development This does seem to be the biggest roadblock. You need a pretty powerful workstation to run this tool. Allot of companies cannot afford to supply their development staff with new PCs every time the IDE gets more and more bloated. Especially with the bloat of Windows OS, MS Office, Lotus Notes and any other programs that developers may run in an iSeries shop. It does seem a bit funny that IBM keeps pushing Java and Linux down peoples throat, but won't port their main development tool to Linux. Thanks, Mark Mark D. Walter Senior Programmer/Analyst CCX, Inc. mwalter@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.ccxinc.com "Richard ECUYER" <recuyer@xxxxxxx> Sent by: To rpg400-l-bounces@ "RPG programming on the AS400 / midrange.com iSeries" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc 06/09/2005 06:05 Subject AM Re: Anyone not using WDSC for RPG development Please respond to RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries <rpg400-l@midrang e.com> We are still using green screen here. we are 6 iseries programmers only me tried WDSC, but with an old release, and not enogh memory (256Mo) The reasons are : no time (now) to learn a new tool because we have a lot of work now. another new tool to deal with now (not a seu like) and waiting for the lastest release of WDSC ordered at IBM. we are planning to use it in the next months. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Williams" <colin.williams@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: Anyone not using WDSC for RPG development > Guys, > > Theres been articles online suggesting that as400 shops have not > really accepted eclipse/WDSC as useful development tools, and are > sticking with SEU > on green screen. > > Here, most of us are using WDSC as our main development tool, although even > I still use green screen for some things. > > I just want to know if many people are still using green screen exclusively > for their RPG development. > > Yes its not perfect, but I find WDSC to be a great tool that allows me > to do > RPG, Java, Netdata, debugging and SQL all in one IDE. > > Cheers > Colin.W > > http://as400blog.blogspot.com > This e-mail has been sent by a company of Bertram Group Ltd, whose registered office is 1 Broadland Business Park, Norwich, NR7 0WF. > This message, and any attachments, are intended solely for the > addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. 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