RE: multi language interfaces -- RPG400-L

Exactly. That is a sad limitation to MSGID. In our case, it was enough to 
justify not to use it.

I remember that I had a hard time convincing the other programer to stop 
duplicating the DDS source for each language so I did not push all the way to 
MSGID

Denis Robitaille
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>>> ArcoSimonse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 2005-06-06 17:12:06 >>>
I also think of going with MSGID. If I understand right MSGID will not
show your field content in SDA but MSGCON does? 

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> Onderwerp: RE: multi language interfaces
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> MSGCON is at compile time.
> MSGID is at run time.  I'd go with MSGID.
> 
> Frankly, I'd like to know why MSGID is a pain in the neck.
> 
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> Hello Rob,
> 
> I'm new to the usage of message files, but I just found in the manual
> that when I use the MSGCON keyword it will be neccessary to recompile
> the dspf if the msgf changes. 
> I begin to understand what Dennis said: The alternative is to 
> use msgid,
> but that will give a pain in SDA.
> Maybe Code Designer will handle this better? I'll try it.
>  
> Best regards, Arco.
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> > [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Namens rob@xxxxxxxxx 
> > Verzonden: maandag 6 juni 2005 22:18
> > Aan: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
> > Onderwerp: RE: multi language interfaces
> > 
> > No, you do not have to compile every dspf against it's language.
> > 
> > What he said was, suppose the msgf is named A0001G.  Let's 
> > say your application was called MYGL.  Then you would have 
> > additional libraries: 
> > MYGLEN for English, MYGLFR for French, etc.  Or you could 
> adopt IBM's
> > MYGL2924 for English, etc...
> > Then, depending on the individuals language preference you 
> > would put the
> > MYGL2924 library higher in their library list.  Once again, 
> > the name of the msgf does not change - the library does.
> > 
> > Rob Berendt
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> > "Simonse, Arco \(CMK\)" <ArcoSimonse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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> > Dennis,
> > 
> > Thanks for the detailed explanation. It looks pretty good. 
> We haven't
> > done much with message files until now, so next  question 
> > comes up: If I
> > understand you right you have to compile every dspf against its
> > language-specific messagefile. Is there no way to avoid 
> this? I try to
> > find a way to minimize the amount of neccesary objects.
> > And do you define general constants like "F3=Exit" also in every
> > messagefile?
> > 
> > TIA, Arco. 
> > 
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> > > Van: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Namens Denis Robitaille
> > > Verzonden: maandag 6 juni 2005 15:48
> > > Aan: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > Onderwerp: Re: multi language interfaces
> > > 
> > > In my company, we do support multi language (french, english, 
> > > german and sweedish). We have been doing this for more than 
> > > 10 years. Here is how we do it:
> > > 
> > > - there is no language specific item in any RPG/CL/CMD/MNU 
> > > program. Every language specific element comes from MSGF
> > > - We use one library per language and only the primary 
> > > language library (french in our case) has PGM sourcre and object
> > > Ex:  CGLF, CGLD (CGL in French, CGL in Deutch )
> > > - The secondary language libraries only contains MSGF and 
> > > language specific object (no source) like Menu, display files ...
> > > - The JOBD of the user puts the correct library in the 
> > > correct sequence
> > > - We use message constant in display and printer file. This 
> > > imply one source but several objects. I would have preffered 
> > > one object, but if you use SDA to design your screen, message 
> > > ID are a pain because you have no way of seeing how things look.
> > > - We use one message file per language/display files (PGM 
> > > xxxxxR DSPG xxxxxD MSGF xxxxxG)
> > > - This method has the advantage of requiering no change in 
> > > the RPG programs.
> > > - We use a user startup program to change the system library 
> > > list to put the correct QSYS9999 in front of QSYS so the user 
> > > sees IBM stuff in the correct language (WRKSPLF ...)
> > > - since we use MSGF extensively, we develop a replacement 
> > > program for WRKMSGF. Ours allows us to copy a message from 
> > > another, to filter a message file with certains keyword ... 
> > > All stuff that IBM should have added a lon time ago.
> > > - The ony missing thig we have is the initial singnon screen 
> > > and any IBM message that can pop upo before the user start up 
> > > program is ran.
> > > 
> > > Overall this method has proven to be the best balance between 
> > > flexibility and work required.
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps
> > > 
> > > Denis Robitaille
> > > Directeur services technique TI
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> > > >>> ArcoSimonse@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 2005-06-06 05:37:23 >>>
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > In our shop 95 % of the applications is RPG with 5250 user 
> > interfaces.
> > > Almost all of the display files are hardcoded with Dutch 
> > > conversations.
> > > Management has decided that all new applications should have 
> > > multilangual user interfaces, based on user preferences.
> > > The system language (we are on V5R2) is English and that will 
> > > stay as it is. Only the applications become multilang interfaces.
> > > 
> > > I googled around but can't find much about how to implement 
> > > such thing.
> > > Does anybody have a good starting point for this?
> > > 
> > > Many thanks,
> > > 
> > > Arco Simonse
> > > pgmr
> > > 
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