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<rant> The whole idea, in my view is to give RPG developers the capability to write some really cool code and not just have some dumb-a*s indicator-controlled logic. What kind of fun is that to add on to or maintain... that's why you don't get developers going into AS/400 programming... the existing code base largely sucks. Heck even some of the "cool free stuff" people on this list and others are offering via the web is horse crap. They are not using the new stuff 'correctly' but rather are just writing crap code like that did when they used indicators, the only difference is now they're writing crap code with an IF statement in free-format. </rant> My point is that we have to use this new stuff because most other platforms and languages are using it already. If we are constantly the last group of professional programmers to embrace new technology, we will be gone. And don't read this to mean that we need to drop something like RPG and start using Java or anything like that... I am referring to something that has been around for decades: procedures and prototyping. I realize Java doesn't do prototyping and I'm not sure why we "need" prototyping, but it is here and we have to live with it. If IBM could just build an IDE that we could use, one that could generate the prototype for us, then it wouldn't even be a question. Bob Cozzi Cozzi Consulting www.rpgiv.com -----Original Message----- From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Hopkins Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:31 AM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures Why hire a manager who has to re-write. Instead should you not at least hire someone that had the ability to learn what was going on in the code to fix it. Just by using a list like this and/or the books on IBM site . Isn't that were the real money was wasted? Bill Hopkins "DeLong, Eric" <EDeLong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 10/24/2003 10:08 AM Please respond to RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries To: "'RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries'" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc: Subject: RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures Actually, yes, I think I would be surprised by her actions. In her situation, the choices seem simple: 1) Call the guy who wrote the stuff for a consult. Even without direct access to a terminal, his experience could have resolved her problems quickly. 2) Hire an outside expert to repair the problem. Not as efficient, since the consultant must gain understanding the hard way. 3) Scrap a complete and basically functional app, and completely rewrite it (in an archaic language/style). By far the least productive of all choices, since it means all the money spent on the initial development AND the money spent on an unnecessary rewrite are WASTED. observation: If the manager never reviewed the code before it hit her machine, then what does she expect. It's her job to understand what her box is sopposed to be doing, and how it must be managed and maintained. This is sort of a hot button for me... There's ever more pressure being placed on us to produce the highest quality software, with the richest feature-set, and snazziest interfaces. Make it perfect and idiot-proof and stable and portable. But write it all in RPGII so our janitor/junior ops programmer flunkie who programmed a S34 once back in 1984 can help to maintain it for the next 40 years or so. Eric DeLong Sally Beauty Company MIS-Project Manager (BSG) 940-898-7863 or ext. 1863 -----Original Message----- From: Booth Martin [mailto:Booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:35 PM To: rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures Can her reaction be a surprise? He's gone and suddenly she has a non-useful application and bosses breathing down her neck. In a perfect world all IT shops would have 20% or more of programmer time budgeted for training. But alas... it will never happen. --------------------------------------------------------- Booth Martin http://www.MartinVT.com Booth@xxxxxxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------------------- -------Original Message------- From: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Date: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:26:28 PM To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries Subject: RE: Benefits of Sub-procedures ..... Another horror story I have heard in the past year - another colleague of mine had written a stand-alone application completely in RPGIV. He even designed his database with 10-character field names and date and time fields. He used sub-procedures. Then he cut his hand with a band-saw and was out on medical leave for 2 1/2 months. Needless to say, one of his managers had to make a change to his app. She didn't understand any of it, so, she re-wrote the entire thing in RPG/400. When he came back off of medical leave, he was told he could not use any RPGIV at all, .... Bob Cagle IT Manager Lynk, Inc. 913-492-9202 x41 _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l. _______________________________________________ This is the RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries (RPG400-L) mailing list To post a message email: RPG400-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l or email: RPG400-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/rpg400-l.
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