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Bob, Nelson, et al, I think I'm in the middle here, and I don't think I'm unique. I desperately want to start and continue using procedures more, but I have had certain barriers in my way, such as the fact that I work on a lot of legacy stuff, at a high hourly rate, and I don't feel I should spend my clients money "learning new stuff" or adding , and the lack of a peer/mentor whom I would work with daily to brainstorm on when and why using a procedure is a good thing, and when it's just fluff. I used to have the time, and the peers to learn the new stuff, but I'm kinda 'lonely' now. And I'm not completely unfamiliar with the concept either: for years and years, I've segregated duplicate code to programs that I can call from anywhere, just passing and returning parameters. I do 90% of my new programs in rpgiv, but I still use a plain call to these "service programs". I just don't bind or prototype them. The ibm manuals seem to compound the problem because they tend to tell you too much - i don't have the time to dig through them and can't see the forest for the trees, so to speak. I need to get to the meat of something, bang it around a few times, then use the manuals for reference. maybe an FAQ entry on "procedure prototyping 101" with step by step explanations of the "how and why" of a simple procedure might help. I think the vast majority of us would love to start using them, and would if we had the backing of those who sign our checks and a jumpstart.... ttfn, rick ---original message--- Nelson, I think the problem is that anything new is, well, new. People in general don't like change. Which is strange to me, why would you get into programming if you don't accept change? I don't know. Yo no sa. Procedures are the single biggest enhancement to RPG in 20 years--even bigger than RPG IV itself. Why? Because they provided a way for the RPG programmer to effectively extend and enhance the RPG language. Now here's something that is not only "free" (as a midrange programmer defines "free", which means, "the company paid for it with their upgrade fees or software subscription") and yet few shops have embraced it. Why? Perhaps because is requires change. :( Bob Cozzi cozzi@rpgiv.com Visit the on-line Midrange Developer forum at: http://www.rpgiv.com
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